[GPCA-SGA-Votes] Treating Each Other With Respect (was Re: SGA Vote Administrator procedures)

Mon Feb 5 09:12:32 PST 2018

Hi Nadia, all,

Please know that the admins understand everyone’s frustration with this recent email exchange and that we have contacted several commenters to ask them to step back from continuing to reply.

Also know that, as SGA delegates, you depend on this list to get information so you can vote.

So please consider that if you ask to be removed from the list.

The admins are acting to deal with this, so the problems *will* stop.

Eric Brooks
SGA Vote Admin

From: gpca-votes [mailto:gpca-votes-bounces at sfgreens.org] On Behalf Of nnnumber40 at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 7:43 AM
To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes at sfgreens.org>
Cc: Nadia Nouri <nnnumber1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Treating Each Other With Respect (was Re: SGA Vote Administrator procedures)

Hi Eric
Then seems like this is not a forum for me and a waste of my time reading f finger pointing, divisive and pointless emails. Please remove me from the mailing list ASAP

Thanks
Nadia

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2018, at 1:47 AM, Eric Brooks <brookse32 at hotmail.com<mailto:brookse32 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Nadia, all,

I totally understand an empathize with your frustration, but it is also very important to remember that the Green Party has very good and strong Rules of Decorum for interaction on our email lists – and that even when someone violates those rules, it is both not ok, and makes the problem worse, to respond in a way that also violates them. Particularly important are the rules against targeting others with personal insults and demonization.

I’ll post a follow-up email in just a bit with the links to our Green Party email Codes of Conduct and SGA email list rules so that everyone has those to read, reference, and respect.

thanks

Eric Brooks
SGA Vote Admin

From: gpca-votes [mailto:gpca-votes-bounces at sfgreens.org] On Behalf Of nnnumber40 at gmail.com<mailto:nnnumber40 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:56 PM
To: bob at marsh.name<mailto:bob at marsh.name>; GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes at sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes at sfgreens.org>>
Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] [Gpca-votes] Fwd: [gpca-cc] SGA Vote Administrator procedures

Me too Bob,  people please stop wasting all our times.
Read your emails. It is your responsibility to read your emails and respond.
Enough dividing.
Nadia

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2018, at 9:09 AM, Bob Marsh <bob at marsh.name<mailto:bob at marsh.name>> wrote:
Nicole has wasted enough of my time (and all of yours as well, I'm sure) so I'm giving her a coveted spot on my "delete immediately" email list... poof! gone.
cheers,
Bob

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com<mailto:nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>> wrote:

What evidence is this exactly? That someone sent a request? I see no reply explaining a refusal to comply. How are we to know phone calls weren't made or that SGA admins other than Laura weren't contacted separately? It is my understanding that Brian Good was contacted, although this could be wrong.

If there is no actual evidence to indicate the claims which have been stated, the argument should cease.

This still does not address my original concern that the statistics of the SGA vote are not valid. The reason for this is that the voting was not completed since some SGA delegates were cut off three hours prior to the deadline. It makes no difference whether or not these delegates "agreed" to forfeit their votes. The point is- it affects the percentages in the results. Therefore, if someone out there was citing these percentages for whatever reason- the numbers would not be accurate.

I wish i had mentioned it when it happened, but i mention now because we are approaching a new voting period and it is my hope, as it should be for all others as well, that this next vote reflects more integrity in the values we claim to uphold.

-N
On Jan 31, 2018 7:36 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton at gmail.com<mailto:sadie.fulton at gmail.com>> wrote:
The attached email is evidence of the new SGA administrators reaching out to the outgoing ones, requesting access and training. This is direct evidence against Nicole's claim that outreach was made in the other direction and refused.
No response was ever received for this email. If the claim that Tim and Mike were willing to train the new SGA administrators back in September when the request was made is to hold any water henceforth, let's see your evidence.
Sadie
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From: Laura Wells <laurawells510 at gmail.com<mailto:laurawells510 at gmail.com>>
Date: Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 11:34
Subject: [gpca-cc] SGA Vote Administrator procedures
To: GPCA Coordinating Committee <gpca-cc at lists.cagreens.org<mailto:gpca-cc at lists.cagreens.org>>
Cc: Tim Laidman <timlaidman at yahoo.com<mailto:timlaidman at yahoo.com>>, Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com<mailto:snug.bug at hotmail.com>>

[This list of questions is going especially to long-time SGA Vote Administrators Mike Feinstein and Tim Laidman; to all CC members; and to Brian Good, a newly elected admin who is not on the CC.]

Hello all —

Now that we have a roster of 5 new SGA Vote Administrators (Victoria Ashley, Brian Good, Laura Wells), and 2 alternates (Eric Brooks and Mike Goldbeck), we need to get trained and up-to-speed.

Please reply with whatever help you can provide.

Here is a starter list of questions that will allow us to create procedures, a process for gaining access to the system, and training needed by the incoming SGA Vote Administrators. The last question applies to almost all of the others: who performs each of the tasks now, and who can provide the new admins with access to each of the processes?

(1) How is the list of SGA delegates updated?
http://sga.cagreens.org/vote/contacts?cid=13

(2) How are SGA delegates added to the SGA email list, gpca-votes at cagreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes at cagreens.org> (or gpca-votes at lists.cagreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes at lists.cagreens.org>)?

(3) How are SGA delegates added to the SGA voting pages/voting system?

(4) How do proposal pages get published on the website?

(5) How do candidate lists get published on the website? How do candidate applications/bios get published and updated?

(6) How are the SGA announcements set up? Announcements include the beginning of the discussion and voting periods, the upcoming end of the voting period, and the ending of the voting period.

(7) How are the results announced for yes/no votes and for ranked choice votes?

(8) Who does each of the above, and who can provide the new admins with access to each of the above?

(9) What else should be included on this list of questions?

NOTE that in researching the GP-US voting system, it appears that “Vote Administrators” are called “Floor Managers” and the job rotates among the Steering Committee members, with some duties performed by the Secretary of the Steering Committee. The system was described as a process of filling out (“plugging in”) the software forms online: checking boxes for kind of vote, discussion period, listing candidates; and pasting in proposals, background, resources required, references. It’s possible that the CA system, which apparently was originally based on the same system as the national, may have become more complicated over the years, but still do-able by people who are not necessarily highly technical.

Thank you all.
Laura Wells
CC member and one of the newly-elected SGA Vote Administrators

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