[GPCA-SGA-Votes] Resignation of SGA Delegacy

Tue Feb 20 13:04:55 PST 2018

Thank you, Sadie. Onward to a better world!

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton at gmail.com> wrote:

> "The fact that only the candidates who had prior knowledge of this
> proposal we're the only ones lobbying the SGA s problematic."
>
> There's no evidence of this so-called fact. Nobody has been "lobbying the
> SGAs". The only people regularly trying to sway the discussion on this
> listserv are the people opposed to this proposal.
>
> I would urge Greens not to get bogged down in this endless circular
> arguing. We need to focus our discussions instead on how we can build our
> movement and party and how best to take advantage of the truly historic
> opportunity ahead of us to become a serious campaigning force that could
> make a concrete difference in the world.
>
> I'm looking forward to meeting as many of you as possible out on the road
> at Josh's campaign stops - which are actual campaign events, aimed at the
> general public, not merely at SGA delegates, as everyone who has attended
> one can attest.
>
> Namaste.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:23 PM james clark <faygodrinkit at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The fact that only the candidates who had prior knowledge of this
>> proposal we're the only ones lobbying the SGA s problematic. Also having
>> delegates tell voters who to vote for us undemocratic and takes voice away
>> from registered greens.
>>
>> Should we work on an inclusive process for the next election cycle, yes.
>> That process should not be where a small group of delegates decides the
>> candidates, but should be a vote by registered voters.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2018 10:03 AM, "Nicole Castor" <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> SGA delegates are appointed/elected by active County Councils. The
>>> County Councils aim to represent the county Greens as "constituents."
>>>
>>> The general Green population of a county does not have the power to
>>> replace the GA/SGA delegates, except in the case of a General Meeting.
>>>
>>> GA/SGA delegates are the primary decision-making body of the GPCA, so
>>> are voting on internal structure.
>>>
>>> http://cagreens.org/ga
>>>
>>> http://cagreens.org/sga/2017-2018/delegates
>>> On Feb 20, 2018 9:30 AM, "Lauren Mauricio" <lauren_mauricio at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the SGA is supposed to represent the Greens in their county, then
>>>> it is their job to connect with Greens on the local level (their
>>>> "constituents" so to speak).  So campaigning to the SGA is an excellent
>>>> strategy for reaching more Greens across the state.  Unless you think the
>>>> SGA is not doing their job and are disconnected from or not listening to
>>>> the Greens in their county.  In which case, the Greens in their county have
>>>> the power to replace them.  But it makes no sense to fault someone for
>>>> running a smart campaign.  In fact, we should be encouraging it if we want
>>>> to win.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Lauren Mauricio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces at sfgreens.org> on behalf of
>>>> james clark <faygodrinkit at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:15 AM
>>>> *To:* GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Resignation of SGA Delegacy
>>>>
>>>> Erik rydberg, what is forward thinking about violating the key value of
>>>> decentralization? Why are fighting so hard for motion that would centralize
>>>> power, and essentially be no better than the Democrats and their super
>>>> delegates?
>>>>
>>>> How is putting greens against each other good? Most candidates I've
>>>> spoken to personally are working together to support each other's campaign,
>>>> yet those in favor of this proposal are running against those greens,
>>>> including lobbying the SGA prior to this proposal.
>>>>
>>>> This has been happening while other candidates that had no idea such a
>>>> proposal would be brought forth at the last minute. As such, they were
>>>> campaigning outside of the delegates circle to aquire the signatures needed
>>>> to be placed on the ballot.
>>>>
>>>> This is yet another problematic issue. Those who lobbied the SGA did so
>>>> knowing about this proposal, and focused on winning over the delegates.
>>>> Those who didn't, went and recruited people to sign their petitions from
>>>> outside of the circle. That means that a vote by delegates would be
>>>> unfairly influenced by those who new ahead of time about this proposal, but
>>>> would not acknowledge the work growing the party other candidates put
>>>> forth, since they were actually campaigning outside of our inner circles.
>>>>
>>>> Stop trying to pit greens against greens, we gain more by working as a
>>>> team and supporting each candidate in their efforts to reach new people.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 18, 2018 6:13 AM, "Chris" <chris at bestofbroadway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon fellow Greens,
>>>>
>>>> We are presently meeting at Grant High School in Sacramento. I am
>>>> posting this notification of my resignation as a delegate to the SGA body.
>>>>
>>>> Sacramento County has a single vacancy for a FIFTH SGA delegate. At
>>>> this meeting, there are two applicants for that role. In order to
>>>> accommodate both persons, I have waived my SGA delegacy. Our new delegates
>>>> are Randy Hicks and in my former position, Sid Akbar.
>>>>
>>>> I will be remaining as an alternate, and unsubscribe my myself from all
>>>> discussions for the upcoming votes, having said my peace.
>>>>
>>>> I ask for your support on behalf of Veronika Fimbres in your ranked
>>>> choice decisions. It is my wish to see all candidates receive a 2/3
>>>> majority endorsement. There is confusion as to whether this vote is to
>>>> endorse or select candidates. We need to remember the green pillar of
>>>> grassroots democracy and resist the urge to influence the state's mind.
>>>>
>>>> I have confirmed between Josh, Veronika, and myself that each of our
>>>> campaigns will persist if an endorsement is not granted, and there is no
>>>> foundation for conflict on this issue. I request of the GPCA councils and
>>>> coordinating committee a pledge not to intervene in the campaigns of
>>>> unendorsed candidates until June 6th, after the state primary is over.
>>>>
>>>> We are all greens.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all for your time. I remain a registered Green candidate for
>>>> Governor and endorse Randy Hicks for Coordinating Committee/Council.
>>>>
>>>> I wish Sid all the best and know his input will be well heard by this
>>>> forum.
>>>>
>>>> God bless,
>>>> Christopher Carlson
>>>> 916.704.0058 <(916)%20704-0058>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Erik <erikrydberg34 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another huge lack of forward thinking being put forth by people
>>>> opposing this new process of endorsement is that we have smaller
>>>> corporate-free parties wanting our endorsements and even considering
>>>> running their candidates within our party to focus progressive power and
>>>> limiting the fracturing of the progressive vote. We need to form an
>>>> Independent 3rd Party Coalition with other Socialist Parties.
>>>>
>>>> The Green Party is the  only Socialist party big enough to run
>>>> candidates in almost every state. Our allies in other parties need our
>>>> structure and we need their  Numbers and candidates. I’m sure there is some
>>>> puritanical secterian argument on why we should continue to do nothing
>>>> about that as well. I’m tired of watching the Green Party do nothing or
>>>> very little. We need this endorsement process for the future and now so we
>>>> can bring Independents and corporate-free Socialist Parties to the table
>>>> and exponential grow our membership and candidate selection.
>>>>
>>>> The Maine Green-Independent Party hyphenated their name while
>>>> simultaneously opening up those Ballot Access and they are now running the
>>>> most candidates of any state party with 38 compared to GPCA’s 18. They are
>>>> also the first State Green Party in American history being formed in 1984.
>>>> They clearly have some wisdom that we have yet to realize considering that
>>>> our doors are closed to Independents and GPCA has Closed Primaries.
>>>>
>>>> We need a early Independent 3rd Party Primary System that includes
>>>> Socialist Parties and Corporate-Free Independents to focus Power on
>>>> corporate-free  Parties.
>>>>
>>>> If we fail to do this another 3rd Party will like Progressive
>>>> Independent Party or Movement for A People’s Party and we will have missed
>>>> a golden opportunity that we may never recover from.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 2:14 PM Lauren Mauricio <
>>>> lauren_mauricio at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We really *should* be "pandering" to Berniecrats, though.  I was a
>>>> Berniecrat.  I voted for Jill Stein because someone shared a link in Bernie
>>>> Sanders' Dank Meme Stash (Facebook group) to a website that showed how her
>>>> platform matched Bernie Sanders' by 99%.  So I voted Green and never looked
>>>> back.  If whoever-that-Green-was hadn't pandered to me, I would have voted
>>>> for Hillary Clinton and I would still be a begrudged Democrat to this day.
>>>> I know a lot of people who share the same story.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Lauren Mauricio
>>>>
>>>> Tulare County
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces at sfgreens.org> on behalf of
>>>> Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 9:26 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Discuss ID 145: GPCA endorsement for
>>>> Governor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anthony & Others,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that this process should have been started at least six months
>>>> ago. At this point, candidates and their teams have already done the work
>>>> to get on the ballot and it is likely there will be more than one Green
>>>> candidate for the offices of SOS & Governor.
>>>>
>>>> If we're not in it to win it, what is the point? There is a point,
>>>> actually. We will benefit from having any of the statewide candidates
>>>> reaching 2%, thus securing ballot access. In addition, Green Party benefits
>>>> by campaigning our platform, Key Values and the type of electoral reforms
>>>> which are necessary to empower alternate parties. I do not feel it is
>>>> useful to delude ourselves into thinking that we are in fact "in it to win
>>>> it," because until these reforms are accomplished, we are severely
>>>> disadvantaged in realistically competing to win.
>>>>
>>>> I also do not feel it is useful to put so much weight on pandering to
>>>> so-called "berniecrats," as it dilutes our values in specific ways which
>>>> compromises what the party actually stands for. Of course such pandering
>>>> has its merit in reaching registration goals, but for a race like this, we
>>>> should be careful in pretending we share more in common with that core than
>>>> we really do.
>>>>
>>>> There has to be a party which stands firmly against war, firmly
>>>> supports environmental protections, among other issues and Sanders does not
>>>> reflect these values in his actions. There are already "progressive"
>>>> democrats who will woo voters with compromised ideals and so rather than GP
>>>> moving to the right, we stand firm, campaign and demonstrate our values to
>>>> a growing population of individuals who agree, and keep our stances so that
>>>> we may secure a place for them when they realize the duopoly does not serve
>>>> their interests and that these voters no longer wish to compromise their
>>>> values.
>>>>
>>>> I will vote against the SGA proposal to endorse candidates at this
>>>> point because it was brought in too late, serves little purpose and is
>>>> proposed without a strategy which delegates could examine and decide upon.
>>>>
>>>> -Nicole Castor
>>>> GP Sacramento County
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018 7:52 AM, "Anthony Krzywicki" <chefkrzywicki at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another major concern is breaking up our parties voting base.  We need
>>>> to all get behind someone and that someone hopefully will reach out and get
>>>> votes from independents, progressives and possibly bernicrats.  Otherwise
>>>> were not in itvto win it, so then whats the point?  We have a such a small
>>>> percentage of green voters to make a win, why should we split that?
>>>>
>>>> Also i beliwve that this process should be started 6 months ago, so we
>>>> could already be backing a unified candidate.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:41 PM james clark <faygodrinkit at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One major concern is that this process would take power out of the
>>>> voters hands to decide which candidate best represents their values. It
>>>> seems to much the DNC and their delegates picking who people get to vote
>>>> for. Not to mention at several candidates already have their names on the
>>>> ballot.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 15, 2018 11:14 AM, "Victoria Ashley" <victronix01 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Since the vote doesn't start until late March, that would give some
>>>> time to send out a list of all the GP candidates on the Inform List.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:20 AM, John-Marc Chandonia <jmc at sfgreens.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:25:47PM -0800, james clark wrote:
>>>> > I feel it is not in the best interests of the party to follow through
>>>> with
>>>> > this ill timed endorsement process. If we were to perform such a
>>>> process it
>>>> > should have been done prior to candidates reaching their ballot access
>>>> > goals. To do so at this juncture will only create animosity and
>>>> division,
>>>> > and will not effect candidates placement on the ballot.
>>>>
>>>> Don't they have until March 9 to raise funds for the ballot?  If
>>>> that's the case, we should know by the time the SGA votes who is in
>>>> and who is out.  I agree that we should not make an endorsement before
>>>> then, because we haven't had any process for informing Greens about
>>>> all the Green candidates running.
>>>>
>>>> JMC
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