[Gpca-votes] IMPORTANT: SGA Voting Closed Early At East Coast Time
Nicole Castor
nmcastorsilva at gmail.com
Tue Jan 30 17:09:52 PST 2018
Adam,
The minutes you reference have nothing to do with what I brought up. I do
not see any reference to former SGA "refusing" to train-in the new admins.
There's also no discussion about the reasons why the counties mentioned may
have not been added to SGA when that was an issue and it's because that has
to do with GROW's faulty recommendations to ask CC to recognize their
county activations, while they did not follow bylaws regarding county
activations. When CC failed them, I believe they were "certified" at
Bakersfield GA. I'm not sure if this is the correct procedure but it seems
there was issue with this passing. Then there was the bylaw change which
changed the requirements for county councils, despite what CA Elections
Codes require.
Even still, those counties were added to the referenced SGA vote,
regardless.
-N
PS. Does anyone else notice the line, "Sanda stated..." (blank)?
On Jan 30, 2018 4:55 PM, "Nicole Castor" <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jane,
> No problem... I'm a "newbie" too, so we're all learning.
> -N
> On Jan 30, 2018 4:54 PM, "Nicole Castor" <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nassim,
>> Gatekeeping? You mean like screening county's volunteer requests before
>> they're sent to the proper council? So much for decentralization.
>> On Jan 30, 2018 4:28 PM, "Nassim Nouri" <nassim1nouri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The issue of gate-keeping in GPCA goes far beyond the SGA admins.
>>> The question we need answered is:
>>> Have the permissions and access requested weeks ago by the CC (and
>>> communicated in an email by Laura Wells) for all of GPCA collateral
>>> been granted yet?
>>>
>>> If not, we still can not move forward.
>>>
>>> Nassim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Chris <chris at bestofbroadway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone explain this like I am five? I see SGA, coordinating
>>> committee, administrators, and censure.
>>>
>>> My takeaway is that a bridge was burned before we got all of our stuff
>>> back from the people who were disciplined. And that the new system produced
>>> unexpected results.
>>>
>>> Yes?
>>> Thank you,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Adam Siegel <apsiegel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > It is also important remind everyone that the reason we were forced to
>>> switch to a new voting system (with inevitable first time glitches) is that
>>> the previous Vote Administrators refused to provide the *new* Vote
>>> Administrators access to the controls of the existing voting system and SGA
>>> email list.
>>>
>>> *Please provide verification- until then, it is only hearsay. It is my
>>> understanding that attempts were made to communicate but that the new SGA
>>> Admins were determined to use different systems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Verification is available here (10 July 2017 CC minutes, available here:
>>> http://cagreens.org/committees/coordinating/minutes/2017-07-10), see
>>> decision (11) and appendix (c):
>>>
>>>
>>> (11) Decision: Censure for SGA Vote Administrators (25 minutes)
>>>
>>> *Sponsor*: Bert Heuer
>>> *Proposal*:
>>>
>>> Proposal to "censure" the SGA vote administrators for not carrying out the June 5, 2017 Coordinating Committee Decision, which directed the SGA vote administrators to add delegates from Ventura, Santa Cruz, Mendocino, and other counties to the SGA voting page no later than by June 7, 2017:
>>>
>>> Whereas an agenda item was submitted to the Coordinating Committee (CC) listserve on or before May 29, 2017, which directed the Standing General Assembly (SGA) vote administrators to add delegates from Ventura, Santa Cruz, Mendocino, and other counties, to the SGA voting page no later than by June 7, 2017; and
>>>
>>> Whereas at least one SGA vote administrator is a member of the above-mentioned CC listserve, and
>>>
>>> Whereas the Coordinating Committee (CC) acted upon the above-referenced agenda item and voted at its regular meeting held on June 5, 2017 to direct the SGA vote administrators to add delegates from Ventura, Santa Cruz, Mendocino, and other counties to the SGA voting page no later than by June 7, 2017, and
>>>
>>> Whereas the SGA vote administrators failed to add the above delegates to the SGA voting page by the June 7 deadline that was specified in the June 5 CC decision, and
>>>
>>> Whereas on June 7 the above-referenced decision to add those delegates to the SGA voting page was posted to the CC listserve and on June 9 it was sent to all CC, it-help, and IT committee members, and
>>>
>>> Whereas on June 14 CC member Laura Wells posted a message to a number of state party listserves, including the SGA 'votes' listserve, which informed delegates (including the SGA vote administrators) about the June 5 CC decision, and
>>>
>>> Whereas the SGA vote administrators continued to not add the above delegates to the SGA voting page despite the above-referenced messages sent on June 7, June 9, and June 14, and
>>>
>>> Whereas at no time after the postings of any of the above messages did any SGA vote administrator post a message to the CC listserve or to any other relevant listserve regarding why the delegates discussed above would not be added (or had not been added) to the SGA voting page, and
>>>
>>> Whereas at no time after the postings of any of the above messages did any SGA vote administrator contact CC co-chair Bert Heuer regarding why the delegates discussed above would not be added (or had not been added) to the SGA voting page, and
>>>
>>> Whereas the failure of the SGA vote administrators to carry out the above-referenced June 5 CC decision to add the above delegates to the SGA voting page caused much extra work for a number of CC members and others with whom they consulted with (including making arrangements with Jared Laiti and FairVote so that the votes of the above delegates could get counted), and
>>>
>>> Whereas the work of the Green Party of California (GPCA) is severely handicapped when the SGA vote administrators fail to carry out CC decisions and fail to even communicate about CC decisions that they are not carrying out,
>>>
>>> Therefore be it resolved that the Coordinating Committee hereby adopts the following:
>>>
>>> The current SGA Vote Administrators are hereby censured for deliberately refusing to carry out the properly and clearly expressed will of the Coordinating Committee as to the handling of the most recent Standing General Assembly elections, for failing to communicate their unwillingness to carry out that will, and for their refusal to assist or allow any other person to carry out that will in their stead. These refusals caused hardship for the Coordinating Committee, for members of the Standing General Assembly, and for the Liaison to the Secretary of State. Such behavior is unacceptable in persons holding positions of responsibility within our political party.
>>>
>>> NOTE:
>>>
>>> Bert restated the proposal.
>>>
>>> Eric stated that this is not the first time the SGA Vote administrators have ignored the rules in the past. Eric wanted the text altered to include "and in past SGA elections".
>>>
>>> Laura stated that she did not feel that including past elections
>>>
>>> Ann said "I do support this" and that our party officers and whatnot should follow our rules.
>>>
>>> Sanda stated that she
>>>
>>> Mica agreed that they should be censured for disobeying direct orders from the CC.
>>>
>>> Bert read the proposal
>>>
>>> Eric Brooks expressed a concern (given here) and stood aside. "I will stand aside with the concern that I would have preferred that the item censuring the SGA Vote Administrators had also referenced their past actions as SGA Administrators when they 1) improperly interfered with the 2016 Coordinating Committee candidacies of both David Curtis and Ann Menasche, 2) improperly interfered with the 2016 Green Party presidential candidacy of Sedinam Kinamo Christin Moyowasifza-Curry (the only woman of color in the 2016 Green primary, 3) improperly interfered with SGA and other GPCA emails in attempted discussions of all of these cases, and 4) defied the will and decisions of the Coordinating Committee, GA and SGA in all of these cases."
>>>
>>> Sanda had an outstanding concern. She is willing to stand aside.
>>>
>>>
>>> PASSED by consensus.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====================================================================
>>> ========================= Appendix C ================================
>>> =====================================================================
>>> June 14, 2017 email message to the "gpca-votes" listserve from GROW co-coordinator Laura Wells entitled "Adding all SGA delegates now", containing info on SGA delegates not being added to the SGA voting pages:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:25 PM, Laura Wells wrote:
>>> [gpca-votes] Adding all SGA delegates now
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> As GROW (Grassroots Organizing Working Group) co-coordinator and liaison to the CC (state Coordinating Committee), I need to address a matter that affects GROW's mission to support the growth of active county organizations.
>>>
>>> We would like to proactively deal with a problem so that it can be understood and handled in the days leading up to this weekend's General Assembly. Our face-to-face time is too valuable to be spent in an unnecessary "floor fight" — as happened so many times in the old days. There are many other crucial things we can be doing to move the Green Party and green values forward.
>>>
>>> I will send this email to all people and lists concerned with getting every county-appointed Standing General Assembly (SGA) delegate properly added to the email list, voting pages, and webpage (http://sga.cagreens.org/vote/contacts?cid=13). The affected counties include Ventura, Santa Cruz, and Mendocino, and possibly others. Concerned people and lists include GROW, the CC, SGA, IT Committee, registrants of the General Assemblies, and GPCA-forum (sorry for duplicate emails you may receive!). The intention is to have -- not a flame war or a floor fight -- but rather a result in which the SGA is updated fully and properly.
>>>
>>> Here's the proposal that was approved, by consensus with one stand-aside, at the most recent monthly CC teleconference on June 5, 2017. The decision was noticed to all CC members on June 7, and again on June 9 to the CC, it-help, and all IT committee members.
>>>
>>> This proposal recommends that the Coordinating Committee direct the SGA Vote Administrators to add the SGA Delegates for the foregoing Counties (Ventura and Santa Cruz) for the remaining 2016/2017 term, as identified above, to the SGA Email List, the SGA Voting Pages and the GPCA Pages identifying SGA Delegates from the Counties by no later than 48 hours after the adoption of this proposal. In addition, the same CC direction applies to other active counties that submit SGA delegates for the 2016/2017 term, including counties in the process of certification such as Mendocino County, and others whose SGA delegation allotment is not currently filled.
>>>
>>> THE PROBLEM
>>> Despite the CC's decision on June 5 to add the SGA Delegates within 48 hours, the requested changes have not been made. Other changes have been made to the lists since June 5. An important SGA vote is taking place now, including the elections of half of the CC members and half of California's delegates to the national party. The election is in the discussion phase, with voting to occur between Monday, June 19 and Sunday, June 25. The person who appears to be in sole control of making those changes is Mike Feinstein. He is not on the IT Committee, which is charged with providing technical support for GPCA web sites, data bases and email lists. The 8 appointed IT Committee members are: Bert Heuer (co-co and CC liaison), Ajay Rai (co-coordinator), and members Gerry Gras, Nicole Montoya, Sadie Fulton, Sanda Everette, Tim Laidman, and Trini Castaneda. Tim Laidman may also be able make the SGA changes.
>>>
>>> THE SOLUTION
>>> Add all active county-appointed SGA delegates now so that this does not consume time at the General Assembly. We will then be able to address at the GA the important matters of adopting an annual budget, moving forward on Committee and Working Group projects, being inspired by vital trainings, and hearing about and gaining understanding of success stories from around the state.
>>>
>>> ACTION
>>> You can help by respectfully (of course!) expressing your opinion on the matter.
>>>
>>> Thank you for reading, and for participating in strengthening the Green Party of California.
>>>
>>> Another world is possible,
>>> Laura Wells
>>> GROW co-coordinator and CC liaison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2018 10:28 AM, "Eric Brooks" <brookse32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > This is incorrect.
>>>> >
>>>> > 1) All active counties were contacted, and all delegates were
>>>> contacted.
>>>>
>>>> *Apparently Napa County was not, and possibly others.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2) All delegates, counties and applicants received the same
>>>> instructions.
>>>>
>>>> *Absolutely incorrect. It was stated on one of these threads that the
>>>> reason my and others' cc applications were not received was because we did
>>>> not copy the email to someone other than applications at cagreens... I
>>>> have the original announcement with the instructions to send to
>>>> "applications" only.
>>>> >
>>>> > 3) Spokespersons are not barred from personally supporting specific
>>>> candidates.
>>>>
>>>> *Spokespersons are not technically barred from doing anything besides
>>>> what the actual law mandates. There are no specific bylaws which govern
>>>> them. I did not make such a claim. I stated that it is a conflict of
>>>> interest, which it is.
>>>> >
>>>> > 4) With regard to the problem of the vote closing 3 hours early, my
>>>> email clearly noted that problem and specifically called on anyone who had
>>>> not voted by the deadline and who wanted their votes to be counted, to
>>>> email a reply saying so. No one responded to request this so we didn’t do
>>>> an adjusted count. And as I noted before and Nicole just reiterated, and
>>>> adjusted count would not have changed the results.
>>>>
>>>> *It makes no difference whether or not anyone had an issue with this.
>>>> What I said is that the results are not valid; the statistics are
>>>> inaccurate. Besides this, people should not have to be asked if something
>>>> is "okay." Are you certain everyone saw your message? Are you certain
>>>> everyone felt comfortable speaking up? They shouldn't have to because the
>>>> vote should have been done correctly.
>>>> >
>>>> > It is also important remind everyone that the reason we were forced
>>>> to switch to a new voting system (with inevitable first time glitches) is
>>>> that the previous Vote Administrators refused to provide the *new* Vote
>>>> Administrators access to the controls of the existing voting system and SGA
>>>> email list.
>>>>
>>>> *Please provide verification- until then, it is only hearsay. It is my
>>>> understanding that attempts were made to communicate but that the new SGA
>>>> Admins were determined to use different systems.
>>>>
>>>> *-Nicole
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Eric Brooks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: gpca-votes [mailto:gpca-votes-bounces at sfgreens.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Nicole Castor
>>>> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:32 PM
>>>> >
>>>> > To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes at sfgreens.org>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Gpca-votes] IMPORTANT: SGA Voting Closed Early At East
>>>> Coast Time
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > In Anticipation of the Upcoming SGA Election,
>>>> >
>>>> > I am rehashing this thread to bring up an important point before we
>>>> approach the next vote.
>>>> >
>>>> > I wanted to raise this concern when this thread was active, however,
>>>> numerous problems with the last vote made me not even want to bother:
>>>> >
>>>> > *Several people were left off the original ballot announcement,
>>>> having not recieved special, exclusive instructions to cc applications to
>>>> an additional email address, but instead, followed the explicit
>>>> instructions included on the inform list announcement for CC elections
>>>> >
>>>> > *The voting page was sent out from a gmail address rather than an
>>>> official gpca-dot-org address
>>>> >
>>>> > *A GPCA Spokesperson showed public support for one candidate over
>>>> another, which is a conflict of interest
>>>> >
>>>> > *At least one active county was not informed of the SGA
>>>> >
>>>> > *Finally, this email thread explains the voting deadline had not been
>>>> set to Pacific time, and some delegates were left out of the vote
>>>> >
>>>> > Eric Brooks explains that the numbers did not matter because the
>>>> results already showed the winners, regardless. I understand that this
>>>> would be correct but the concern I kept to myself at that time was that the
>>>> actual statistics would not be recorded accurately.
>>>> >
>>>> > This might not seem like a big deal but for a party which boasts
>>>> voting integrity and all related issues, this lack of concern of such
>>>> things should be addressed.
>>>> >
>>>> > If statistics of the results were used in citation, afterward, that
>>>> citation would not be valid. In other words, one could not legitimately
>>>> claim one candidate received x-percent of a vote because the voting was
>>>> never complete.
>>>> >
>>>> > Integrity is doing the right thing, even when it seems it doesn't
>>>> matter- not just when it's convenient, or benefits your agenda. This and
>>>> future internal party elections should reflect this.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Nicole Castor
>>>> > GP Sacramento County
>>>> >
>>>> > PS
>>>> > I would also like to take this opportunity to reach out to anyone who
>>>> may have any questions concerning me, or the work I do on our County
>>>> Council. I have been rather surprised and disturbed by some of the things I
>>>> have been hearing coming back to me lately. I prefer to address issues,
>>>> rather than whisper behind backs because addressing is the only way to
>>>> actually have the possibility of an explanation.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Nov 20, 2017 5:59 PM, "C. A. B." <cabouldin at msn.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So do we have to go back on the OpaVote to see the results or will
>>>> they be sent out?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 11/20/2017 11:59 AM, R Schwichtenberg wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Spam detection software, running on the system "
>>>> gateway.dolorespark.org",
>>>> >>> has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Content preview: Eric, please open the 🗳 vote box for me... Rj
>>>> Schwichtenberg
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2017, at 7:39 AM, Bob Marsh
>>>> wrote: > > Eric,
>>>> >>> > Is there a way to see the results like there was with the old
>>>> system? >
>>>> >>> > Bob > > >> On Nov 19, 2017, at 21:25, Eric Brooks wrote: >> >>
>>>> Hi again
>>>> >>> all, >> >> The Vote Admins have just discovered that the SGA
>>>> voting software
>>>> >>> closed the vote at midnight *East* coast time rather than west
>>>> coast time.
>>>> >>> >> >> *HOWEVER* if you did not get a chance to vote and were
>>>> planning to
>>>> >>> just before midnight please note that both winning candidates had
>>>> already
>>>> >>> received enough first round votes by the time the vote was
>>>> closed, that even
>>>> >>> if any one other candidate had received all remaining votes, the
>>>> candidates
>>>> >>> who won tonight would still have won - so the early closing of
>>>> voting will
>>>> >>> not affect the actual results. >> >> *IMPORTANT* If you still
>>>> wish to have
>>>> >>> your votes counted in the anonymous totals so that they change
>>>> the totals
>>>> >>> (even though this will not change the results) reply to this
>>>> email by midnight
>>>> >>> tonight and we will arrange for your votes to be included in the
>>>> totals.
>>>> >>> >> >> Sorry for any difficulties you had personally with the
>>>> OpaVote system.
>>>> >>> This is our first time using this new voting software and there
>>>> were bound
>>>> >>> to be some bugs. >> >> Eric Brooks >> >> From: Eric Brooks >>
>>>> Sent: Sunday,
>>>> >>> November 19, 2017 8:46 PM >> To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA
>>>> Votes >> Subject:
>>>> >>> Please Contact Eric Brooks If You Have Any Problems With Your
>>>> SGA Vote Tonight
>>>> >>> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am available all night tonight for anyone
>>>> who has problems
>>>> >>> voting on the OpaVote site in the SGA election. >> >> I’ll be
>>>> sending out
>>>> >>> a vote reminder at 9pm which all of you who have not yet voted
>>>> should receive
>>>> >>> (CHECK YOUR SPAM FOLDERS IF YOU DON’T SEE IT). >> >> *TO
>>>> CONTACT ME* >>
>>>> >>> >> Email me at: brookse32 at hotmail.com >> >> and /or call me at:
>>>> >> >> 415-756-8844 <(415)%20756-8844>
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