[Gpca-votes] Fwd: [gpca-cc] SGA Vote Administrator procedures

Wed Jan 31 09:56:26 PST 2018

Ann,

The things you mention are not mutually exclusive. Quit straw-manning. Our
internal election integrity is just as important as anything else.

-N
On Jan 31, 2018 9:53 AM, "Nicole Castor" <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com> wrote:

> Likewise, you're relying on others to give the benefit of the doubt in
> lieu of evidence. You claim to provide evidence, but provided none. I had
> heard things to the contrary and there is nothing to support either
> argument. What now? The SGA Admin transition wasn't even the real issue,
> but just an example which was brought up to excuse undemocratic and
> exclusionary behavior of the new SGA admins in their handling of the last
> vote. As a result, statistics and percentages are not valid and if cited,
> they should be noted as incomplete.
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2018 9:45 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nicole, you are not expressing dissent anymore, you are exploiting a
>> strategic lack of paper trail in order to gaslight the entire listserv. In
>> a court of law,  testimonies from a wide variety of witnesses are usually
>> adequate for sentencing. Its time your side ponied up a bit more solid
>> evidence of your claims instead of one person asserting their
>> "understanding".
>>
>> You can assert that I and the others on this listserv are liars if you
>> want to. I will testify under oath if that's what's needed of me.
>> Sadie
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 09:32 Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob and others,
>>>
>>> Bob is entitled to an opinion, but should never speak on behalf of
>>> others.
>>>
>>> I have every right to address these issues as they are completely
>>> relevant to the upcoming SGA voting period.
>>>
>>> The responses I've seen from the so-called "reformers" are weak,
>>> non-evidence to excuse their undemocratic and exclusionary practices in
>>> handing the previous vote.
>>>
>>> For the delegates set to participate, let this be a beacon to any who
>>> may have had doubts or opinions which might not align with the GPCA status
>>> quo- showing that they are not alone.
>>>
>>> -N
>>>
>>> PS. It's only a waste of time when it's dissent, huh? Maintaining
>>> integrity in our values & purpose is never a waste of time.
>>> On Jan 31, 2018 9:10 AM, "Bob Marsh" <bob at marsh.name> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nicole has wasted enough of my time (and all of yours as well, I'm
>>>> sure) so I'm giving her a coveted spot on my "delete immediately" email
>>>> list... poof! gone.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What evidence is this exactly? That someone sent a request? I see no
>>>>> reply explaining a refusal to comply. How are we to know phone calls
>>>>> weren't made or that SGA admins other than Laura weren't contacted
>>>>> separately? It is my understanding that Brian Good was contacted, although
>>>>> this could be wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no actual evidence to indicate the claims which have been
>>>>> stated, the argument should cease.
>>>>>
>>>>> This still does not address my original concern that the statistics of
>>>>> the SGA vote are not valid. The reason for this is that the voting was not
>>>>> completed since some SGA delegates were cut off three hours prior to the
>>>>> deadline. It makes no difference whether or not these delegates "agreed" to
>>>>> forfeit their votes. The point is- it affects the percentages in the
>>>>> results. Therefore, if someone out there was citing these percentages for
>>>>> whatever reason- the numbers would not be accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish i had mentioned it when it happened, but i mention now because
>>>>> we are approaching a new voting period and it is my hope, as it should be
>>>>> for all others as well, that this next vote reflects more integrity in the
>>>>> values we claim to uphold.
>>>>>
>>>>> -N
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2018 7:36 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The attached email is evidence of the new SGA administrators reaching
>>>>>> out to the outgoing ones, requesting access and training. This is direct
>>>>>> evidence against Nicole's claim that outreach was made in the other
>>>>>> direction and refused.
>>>>>> No response was ever received for this email. If the claim that Tim
>>>>>> and Mike were willing to train the new SGA administrators back in September
>>>>>> when the request was made is to hold any water henceforth, let's see
>>>>>> your evidence.
>>>>>> Sadie
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Laura Wells <laurawells510 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 11:34
>>>>>> Subject: [gpca-cc] SGA Vote Administrator procedures
>>>>>> To: GPCA Coordinating Committee <gpca-cc at lists.cagreens.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Tim Laidman <timlaidman at yahoo.com>, Brian Good <
>>>>>> snug.bug at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *[This list of questions is going especially to long-time SGA Vote
>>>>>> Administrators Mike Feinstein and Tim Laidman; to all CC members; and to
>>>>>> Brian Good, a newly elected admin who is not on the CC.] *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all —
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that we have a roster of 5 new SGA Vote Administrators (Victoria
>>>>>> Ashley, Brian Good, Laura Wells), and 2 alternates (Eric Brooks and Mike
>>>>>> Goldbeck), we need to get trained and up-to-speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please reply with whatever help you can provide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a starter list of questions that will allow us to create
>>>>>> procedures, a process for gaining access to the system, and training needed
>>>>>> by the incoming SGA Vote Administrators. The last question applies to
>>>>>> almost all of the others: who performs each of the tasks now, and
>>>>>> who can provide the new admins with access to each of the processes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) How is the list of SGA delegates updated?
>>>>>> http://sga.cagreens.org/vote/contacts?cid=13
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) How are SGA delegates added to the SGA email list,
>>>>>> gpca-votes at cagreens.org (or gpca-votes at lists.cagreens.org)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (3) How are SGA delegates added to the SGA voting pages/voting
>>>>>> system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (4) How do proposal pages get published on the website?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (5) How do candidate lists get published on the website? How do
>>>>>> candidate applications/bios get published and updated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (6) How are the SGA announcements set up? Announcements include the
>>>>>> beginning of the discussion and voting periods, the upcoming end of the
>>>>>> voting period, and the ending of the voting period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (7) How are the results announced for yes/no votes and for ranked
>>>>>> choice votes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (8) Who does each of the above, and who can provide the new admins
>>>>>> with access to each of the above?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (9) What else should be included on this list of questions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE that in researching the GP-US voting system, it appears that
>>>>>> “Vote Administrators” are called “Floor Managers” and the job rotates among
>>>>>> the Steering Committee members, with some duties performed by the Secretary
>>>>>> of the Steering Committee. The system was described as a process of filling
>>>>>> out (“plugging in”) the software forms online: checking boxes for kind of
>>>>>> vote, discussion period, listing candidates; and pasting in proposals,
>>>>>> background, resources required, references. It’s possible that the CA
>>>>>> system, which apparently was originally based on the same system as the
>>>>>> national, may have become more complicated over the years, but still
>>>>>> do-able by people who are not necessarily highly technical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you all.
>>>>>> Laura Wells
>>>>>> CC member and one of the newly-elected SGA Vote Administrators
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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