[Gpca-votes] Fwd: [gpca-cc] SGA Vote Administrator procedures

Wed Jan 31 13:50:57 PST 2018

>>What do you mean when you say that "my side"

"The responses I've seen from the so-called "reformers" are weak"

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ps.
> Sadie,
>
> What do you mean when you say that "my side" should pony-up evidence or
> whatever? Are you under the impression, like many others I've heard from,
> that i am on a "side?"
>
> I speak on behalf of myself, based on my own observations and i would
> encourage others to do the same, too.
>
> -N
> On Jan 31, 2018 9:56 AM, "Nicole Castor" <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ann,
>>
>> The things you mention are not mutually exclusive. Quit straw-manning.
>> Our internal election integrity is just as important as anything else.
>>
>> -N
>> On Jan 31, 2018 9:53 AM, "Nicole Castor" <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Likewise, you're relying on others to give the benefit of the doubt in
>>> lieu of evidence. You claim to provide evidence, but provided none. I had
>>> heard things to the contrary and there is nothing to support either
>>> argument. What now? The SGA Admin transition wasn't even the real issue,
>>> but just an example which was brought up to excuse undemocratic and
>>> exclusionary behavior of the new SGA admins in their handling of the last
>>> vote. As a result, statistics and percentages are not valid and if cited,
>>> they should be noted as incomplete.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2018 9:45 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nicole, you are not expressing dissent anymore, you are exploiting a
>>>> strategic lack of paper trail in order to gaslight the entire listserv. In
>>>> a court of law,  testimonies from a wide variety of witnesses are usually
>>>> adequate for sentencing. Its time your side ponied up a bit more solid
>>>> evidence of your claims instead of one person asserting their
>>>> "understanding".
>>>>
>>>> You can assert that I and the others on this listserv are liars if you
>>>> want to. I will testify under oath if that's what's needed of me.
>>>> Sadie
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 09:32 Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob and others,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob is entitled to an opinion, but should never speak on behalf of
>>>>> others.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have every right to address these issues as they are completely
>>>>> relevant to the upcoming SGA voting period.
>>>>>
>>>>> The responses I've seen from the so-called "reformers" are weak,
>>>>> non-evidence to excuse their undemocratic and exclusionary practices in
>>>>> handing the previous vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the delegates set to participate, let this be a beacon to any who
>>>>> may have had doubts or opinions which might not align with the GPCA status
>>>>> quo- showing that they are not alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> -N
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. It's only a waste of time when it's dissent, huh? Maintaining
>>>>> integrity in our values & purpose is never a waste of time.
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2018 9:10 AM, "Bob Marsh" <bob at marsh.name> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicole has wasted enough of my time (and all of yours as well, I'm
>>>>>> sure) so I'm giving her a coveted spot on my "delete immediately" email
>>>>>> list... poof! gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Nicole Castor <
>>>>>> nmcastorsilva at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What evidence is this exactly? That someone sent a request? I see no
>>>>>>> reply explaining a refusal to comply. How are we to know phone calls
>>>>>>> weren't made or that SGA admins other than Laura weren't contacted
>>>>>>> separately? It is my understanding that Brian Good was contacted, although
>>>>>>> this could be wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is no actual evidence to indicate the claims which have
>>>>>>> been stated, the argument should cease.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This still does not address my original concern that the statistics
>>>>>>> of the SGA vote are not valid. The reason for this is that the voting was
>>>>>>> not completed since some SGA delegates were cut off three hours prior to
>>>>>>> the deadline. It makes no difference whether or not these delegates
>>>>>>> "agreed" to forfeit their votes. The point is- it affects the percentages
>>>>>>> in the results. Therefore, if someone out there was citing these
>>>>>>> percentages for whatever reason- the numbers would not be accurate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish i had mentioned it when it happened, but i mention now
>>>>>>> because we are approaching a new voting period and it is my hope, as it
>>>>>>> should be for all others as well, that this next vote reflects more
>>>>>>> integrity in the values we claim to uphold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -N
>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2018 7:36 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The attached email is evidence of the new SGA administrators
>>>>>>>> reaching out to the outgoing ones, requesting access and training. This is
>>>>>>>> direct evidence against Nicole's claim that outreach was made in the other
>>>>>>>> direction and refused.
>>>>>>>> No response was ever received for this email. If the claim that Tim
>>>>>>>> and Mike were willing to train the new SGA administrators back in September
>>>>>>>> when the request was made is to hold any water henceforth, let's see
>>>>>>>> your evidence.
>>>>>>>> Sadie
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>> From: Laura Wells <laurawells510 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 11:34
>>>>>>>> Subject: [gpca-cc] SGA Vote Administrator procedures
>>>>>>>> To: GPCA Coordinating Committee <gpca-cc at lists.cagreens.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Tim Laidman <timlaidman at yahoo.com>, Brian Good <
>>>>>>>> snug.bug at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *[This list of questions is going especially to long-time SGA Vote
>>>>>>>> Administrators Mike Feinstein and Tim Laidman; to all CC members; and to
>>>>>>>> Brian Good, a newly elected admin who is not on the CC.] *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all —
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that we have a roster of 5 new SGA Vote Administrators
>>>>>>>> (Victoria Ashley, Brian Good, Laura Wells), and 2 alternates (Eric Brooks
>>>>>>>> and Mike Goldbeck), we need to get trained and up-to-speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please reply with whatever help you can provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a starter list of questions that will allow us to create
>>>>>>>> procedures, a process for gaining access to the system, and training needed
>>>>>>>> by the incoming SGA Vote Administrators. The last question applies to
>>>>>>>> almost all of the others: who performs each of the tasks now, and
>>>>>>>> who can provide the new admins with access to each of the processes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) How is the list of SGA delegates updated?
>>>>>>>> http://sga.cagreens.org/vote/contacts?cid=13
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (2) How are SGA delegates added to the SGA email list,
>>>>>>>> gpca-votes at cagreens.org (or gpca-votes at lists.cagreens.org)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (3) How are SGA delegates added to the SGA voting pages/voting
>>>>>>>> system?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (4) How do proposal pages get published on the website?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (5) How do candidate lists get published on the website? How do
>>>>>>>> candidate applications/bios get published and updated?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (6) How are the SGA announcements set up? Announcements include the
>>>>>>>> beginning of the discussion and voting periods, the upcoming end of the
>>>>>>>> voting period, and the ending of the voting period.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (7) How are the results announced for yes/no votes and for ranked
>>>>>>>> choice votes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (8) Who does each of the above, and who can provide the new admins
>>>>>>>> with access to each of the above?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (9) What else should be included on this list of questions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NOTE that in researching the GP-US voting system, it appears that
>>>>>>>> “Vote Administrators” are called “Floor Managers” and the job rotates among
>>>>>>>> the Steering Committee members, with some duties performed by the Secretary
>>>>>>>> of the Steering Committee. The system was described as a process of filling
>>>>>>>> out (“plugging in”) the software forms online: checking boxes for kind of
>>>>>>>> vote, discussion period, listing candidates; and pasting in proposals,
>>>>>>>> background, resources required, references. It’s possible that the CA
>>>>>>>> system, which apparently was originally based on the same system as the
>>>>>>>> national, may have become more complicated over the years, but still
>>>>>>>> do-able by people who are not necessarily highly technical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you all.
>>>>>>>> Laura Wells
>>>>>>>> CC member and one of the newly-elected SGA Vote Administrators
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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