<p dir="ltr">Mimi and others,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I understand all of that and don't necessarily disagree but the issue i had raised was responded with the sga-transfer issue as an excuse for the problems. If such a thing is cited as being a causal factor, it should be supported with evidence instead of expecting onlookers to take their word for it. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Regardless of that side-tracking issue, it really wasn't a valid excuse, regardless of what really happened, for an administration who claims to want to change everything then go and mess up in such ways to the point that the actions would affect the integrity of the vote. In other words, if their methods are better, then they should have illustrated this with a seamlessly-orchestrated vote. If not last time, this time should be better. If no one holds it accountable, though, it is likely to continue and i hope you see my point in this.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Lastly, one of the big things i addressed is based on word i had received that an individual had cited the statistics from that election to support reasons to have a negative opinion of me, personally. If these elections are not held properly and people are initially left off ballots, there are conflicts-of-interest in campaigning for/against candidates, etc. but especially if there were delegates unable to cast their votes- these statistics can not be rightfully cited. Such faulty citations affect the credibility of the individual making these citations and so it should be noted, as an informative aid to others who may be influenced by such citations of invalid statistics.</p>
<p dir="ltr">That is all except to add again that I hope to see a more democratic process implimented in the next vote.</p>
<p dir="ltr">-N</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 31, 2018 10:00 AM, "Mimi Newton" <<a href="mailto:mimi.newton@gmail.com">mimi.newton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div dir="auto"> Nicole - </div><div dir="auto">The CC recently received an email from Mike Feinstein reminding us of our Bylaws requirements for CC meeting minutes:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Section 3-8 Minutes</span><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">3-8.1 </span><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Minutes of Coordinating Committee meetings shall consist of the date, time, location (where applicable) and attendance (including when leaving call), any modifications to the agenda, agenda items heard, decisions-taken (including who voted for, against or stood aside) and the text of all proposals, including amendments.</span><br></div></div></div><div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div>His message stated:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">“First, we do *Not* include notes in our minutes. The reason we don’t do that, is that we don’t want subjective content in our minutes, that then can be added by a majority vote, but does not represent hard facts but instead impressions,.”</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">In addition, I think the CC tried - up to a point - to be somewhat discrete about the issues it was having at that time which I won’t go into here because I get all preachy about how we communicate with each other at the end of this message. 😜</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I do think it is fine to raise concerns about the last SGA vote to the vote administrators </span><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">because, as you noted, we are approaching a new voting period. But I don’t think it furthers the “values we claim to uphold” to impugn the integrity of the SGA Vote Administrators based on scant information that may be somewhat slanted to one perspective.</span></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I think we can all agree that we want the next Vote to go smoothly. I think we can also agree that it would be really great if we could all think about how we address each other via email and social media. Let’s all try to take the high road when it comes to hearing one anothers’ perspectives - be the change you want to be people!</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Thanks -</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Mimi</span></div><div><div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div>On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:53 AM Nicole Castor <<a href="mailto:nmcastorsilva@gmail.com" target="_blank">nmcastorsilva@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Vic,</p>
<p>If it wasn't important enough to be recorded in minutes, why is it important now? If it's not recorded, everyone beside the 14 mentioned have no solid way to know. Even witness account is hearsay. Like I had said- I heard that communication was attempted but the new SGAs wanted to not use the regular system. This is also hearsay- but what do we have to go on w/out anything on record? </p>
<p>-N</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 31, 2018 12:57 AM, "Victoria Ashley" <<a href="mailto:victronix01@gmail.com" target="_blank">victronix01@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="m_5226566426552762975m_-4712746738805689715m_3103846697939947m_-1881852978313314963m_7480859479244512894gmail-im" style="font-size:12.8px">>> Does it specifically mention refusal<br> to train the new admins? <br><div><br></div></span><div style="font-size:12.8px">Our policy is typically not to <i>post</i> detailed notes, just record decisions and votes.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">I was there, and that's what happened -- they were asked and they refused. There were about 14 other people on the call as well. <br><br>-- Victoria</div></div></div>
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