[Gpca-votes] State level Green Party
The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen). Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended. Look at our budget committee page, it says: "*Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)*" http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples. Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct? I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER. Regards, Thomas Leavitt
Yes. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt<thomleavitt@gmail.com> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen). Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended. Look at our budget committee page, it says: "Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)" http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples. Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct? I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER. Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants. Yolanda Catzalco ________________________________ From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of J HALL <shallow60@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:04 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes Subject: Re: [Gpca-votes] State level Green Party Yes. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt <thomleavitt@gmail.com> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen). Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended. Look at our budget committee page, it says: "Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)" http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples. Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct? I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER. Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
Greens: I think Thomas Leavitt said it well. As Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and presidential candidate told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! several years ago, I like the Green Party but they have "organizational problems." Please reread what Thomas wrote above. Our country is more divided now and in my opinion, we could be the hope of the vast majority, and to be taken seriously as a political party but it takes UNITY and MONEY. For close to 100,000 registered Greens in California, we have diddly in the state treasury. That's my two cents, Frank Lambert Monterey County On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM, yolanda catzalco <ycatzalc@hotmail.com> wrote:
All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants.
Yolanda Catzalco
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt <thomleavitt@gmail.com> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen).
Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended.
Look at our budget committee page, it says:
"*Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)*"
http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget
I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples.
Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct?
I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER.
Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
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Ok. In about a week or two I'll write John about making a $10 contribution. I get all these emails from the Democrats, but rarely anything from Green Party. In my junk email which I browse every day I just received at least 20 emails from GPCA--lots of stuff I was unaware of. Yolanda Catzalco ________________________________ From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 4:56 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes Subject: Re: [Gpca-votes] State level Green Party Greens: I think Thomas Leavitt said it well. As Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and presidential candidate told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! several years ago, I like the Green Party but they have "organizational problems." Please reread what Thomas wrote above. Our country is more divided now and in my opinion, we could be the hope of the vast majority, and to be taken seriously as a political party but it takes UNITY and MONEY. For close to 100,000 registered Greens in California, we have diddly in the state treasury. That's my two cents, Frank Lambert Monterey County On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM, yolanda catzalco <ycatzalc@hotmail.com<mailto:ycatzalc@hotmail.com>> wrote: All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants. Yolanda Catzalco ________________________________ From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org>> on behalf of J HALL <shallow60@sbcglobal.net<mailto:shallow60@sbcglobal.net>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:04 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes Subject: Re: [Gpca-votes] State level Green Party Yes. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt <thomleavitt@gmail.com<mailto:thomleavitt@gmail.com>> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen). Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended. Look at our budget committee page, it says: "Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)" http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples. Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct? I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER. Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
Hi Yolanda, Frank, Angelica, and Tom Estoy de acuerdo sobre estes problemas. Creo que necesitamos protejerlos trabajadores y familias viviendo en California. Claro que si, ICE y DHS son cuerpos inconstitucionales que violar la enmienda cuarto y la campaña contra mis amigos en un pogrom. En presente, tres personas verdes tienen papeles con el estado por la oficina gobernador. Veronika Fimbres del San Francisco, Josh Jones del Davis, y yo soy de Rio Linda, CA. Soy hispanohablante. Trabajé en tres cocinas y escribo obras de teatro con partes en español. Perdoname mi gramatica, necesito buscar palabras poco a poco. Yolanda, donde vives? El mejor parte del partido Verde en SudoCalifornia, en niveles locales, por ejemplo Angelica Dueñas, son luchadores por la seguridad and proteccion de immigrantes colores. Tambien los Norteños verses luchar por los personas de nacciones primerios. No es bastante. Necesitamos juntar con otros a mantener un "ferrocarril subterráneo" como abolicionistas. Es un solucción de cultura. Ayudamos, por favor. Muchas gentes en partido verde tiene amigas que pueden ayudar y necesitamos numeros del telefono o otras caminos a encuentrar los immigrantes en peligro politico. Mi propuesta por todos los verdes: Este forum es el ferrocarril. My proposal for all greens: Use this GPCA forum to connect threatened individuals with places to stay, legal representation, and food. Extend this also to the homeless. We are a community with many spaces. If a fellow green can crash in someone's backyard once in a while, Greens can coordinate services to assist any who bring forward a need; specifically threatened immigrants. As for green organization: According to studies of human society growth, centralization of a body occurs naturally between 25,ooo and 50,ooo members. With centralization comes a form of dues or taxation. We have attracted through our policy of decentralization a number of individuals who prefer a system where no person wields authority over another, and there is no risk to the body of having a specific leader targeted by establishment opponents. In order to preserve the party, we need lasting involvement and commitment to the solvency of our hard earned political rights. There are monumental figures in the green movement who call California home. Sometimes they organize against one another. The important thing is to remember that while one group may care for growth, another for power, another for change, and another for the security of the party, we are all greens. That means sticking it out. Anyone who leaves this project or is excommunicated from the party will not have the joy of being part of a global movement for restitution against corporate greed and short sighted human demolition of the only planet we have ever walked on. Those who have just joined the party are faced with a steep learning curve, but not one so great as most other organizations. In proceeding, we must remember that NONVIOLENCE is a personal growth issue and central tenet of the Greens. There are other movements for violent reactionaries, this is not one of them. Most importantly, I am in favor of a do-nothing or next to nothing centralized state body (GPCA) that acts to fulfill the minimal requirements of hierarchy imposed upon us by the state. No green will disagree that we should focus on local representation, as state candidates serve more as party representatives than viable candidates for office. As such, state reps carry a heavy burden of responsibility to maintaining at least a façade of political savvy and responsive, rather than reactionary conduct. Myself included. Sorry for the length, nowadays that's a burden. Chris Sacramento County Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2018, at 8:56 AM, F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> wrote:
Greens:
I think Thomas Leavitt said it well. As Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and presidential candidate told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! several years ago, I like the Green Party but they have "organizational problems."
Please reread what Thomas wrote above. Our country is more divided now and in my opinion, we could be the hope of the vast majority, and to be taken seriously as a political party but it takes UNITY and MONEY. For close to 100,000 registered Greens in California, we have diddly in the state treasury.
That's my two cents,
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM, yolanda catzalco <ycatzalc@hotmail.com> wrote: All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants. Yolanda Catzalco
From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of J HALL <shallow60@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:04 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes Subject: Re: [Gpca-votes] State level Green Party
Yes.
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt <thomleavitt@gmail.com> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen).
Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended.
Look at our budget committee page, it says:
"Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)"
http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget
I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples.
Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct?
I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER.
Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
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Kelsey Reedy shared this event. An example of strides being taken in Humboldt. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Christopher Carlson < chris@bestofbroadway.org> wrote:
Hi Yolanda, Frank, Angelica, and Tom
Estoy de acuerdo sobre estes problemas. Creo que necesitamos protejerlos trabajadores y familias viviendo en California. Claro que si, ICE y DHS son cuerpos inconstitucionales que violar la enmienda cuarto y la campaña contra mis amigos en un pogrom.
En presente, tres personas verdes tienen papeles con el estado por la oficina gobernador. Veronika Fimbres del San Francisco, Josh Jones del Davis, y yo soy de Rio Linda, CA. Soy hispanohablante. Trabajé en tres cocinas y escribo obras de teatro con partes en español.
Perdoname mi gramatica, necesito buscar palabras poco a poco. Yolanda, donde vives? El mejor parte del partido Verde en SudoCalifornia, en niveles locales, por ejemplo Angelica Dueñas, son luchadores por la seguridad and proteccion de immigrantes colores. Tambien los Norteños verses luchar por los personas de nacciones primerios. No es bastante. Necesitamos juntar con otros a mantener un "ferrocarril subterráneo" como abolicionistas. Es un solucción de cultura. Ayudamos, por favor. Muchas gentes en partido verde tiene amigas que pueden ayudar y necesitamos numeros del telefono o otras caminos a encuentrar los immigrantes en peligro politico.
Mi propuesta por todos los verdes: Este forum es el ferrocarril. My proposal for all greens: Use this GPCA forum to connect threatened individuals with places to stay, legal representation, and food. Extend this also to the homeless. We are a community with many spaces. If a fellow green can crash in someone's backyard once in a while, Greens can coordinate services to assist any who bring forward a need; specifically threatened immigrants.
As for green organization:
According to studies of human society growth, centralization of a body occurs naturally between 25,ooo and 50,ooo members. With centralization comes a form of dues or taxation. We have attracted through our policy of decentralization a number of individuals who prefer a system where no person wields authority over another, and there is no risk to the body of having a specific leader targeted by establishment opponents.
In order to preserve the party, we need lasting involvement and commitment to the solvency of our hard earned political rights. There are monumental figures in the green movement who call California home. Sometimes they organize against one another. The important thing is to remember that while one group may care for growth, another for power, another for change, and another for the security of the party, we are all greens. That means sticking it out.
Anyone who leaves this project or is excommunicated from the party will not have the joy of being part of a global movement for restitution against corporate greed and short sighted human demolition of the only planet we have ever walked on.
Those who have just joined the party are faced with a steep learning curve, but not one so great as most other organizations. In proceeding, we must remember that NONVIOLENCE is a personal growth issue and central tenet of the Greens. There are other movements for violent reactionaries, this is not one of them.
Most importantly, I am in favor of a do-nothing or next to nothing centralized state body (GPCA) that acts to fulfill the minimal requirements of hierarchy imposed upon us by the state. No green will disagree that we should focus on local representation, as state candidates serve more as party representatives than viable candidates for office. As such, state reps carry a heavy burden of responsibility to maintaining at least a façade of political savvy and responsive, rather than reactionary conduct. Myself included.
Sorry for the length, nowadays that's a burden. Chris Sacramento County
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2018, at 8:56 AM, F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> wrote:
Greens:
I think Thomas Leavitt said it well. As Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and presidential candidate told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! several years ago, I like the Green Party but they have "organizational problems."
Please reread what Thomas wrote above. Our country is more divided now and in my opinion, we could be the hope of the vast majority, and to be taken seriously as a political party but it takes UNITY and MONEY. For close to 100,000 registered Greens in California, we have diddly in the state treasury.
That's my two cents,
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM, yolanda catzalco <ycatzalc@hotmail.com> wrote:
All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants.
Yolanda Catzalco
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Yes.
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt <thomleavitt@gmail.com> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen).
Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended.
Look at our budget committee page, it says:
"*Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)*"
http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget
I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples.
Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct?
I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER.
Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
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https://www.facebook.com/events/1823041344663403/ On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Carlson < chris@bestofbroadway.org> wrote:
Kelsey Reedy shared this event. An example of strides being taken in Humboldt.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Christopher Carlson < chris@bestofbroadway.org> wrote:
Hi Yolanda, Frank, Angelica, and Tom
Estoy de acuerdo sobre estes problemas. Creo que necesitamos protejerlos trabajadores y familias viviendo en California. Claro que si, ICE y DHS son cuerpos inconstitucionales que violar la enmienda cuarto y la campaña contra mis amigos en un pogrom.
En presente, tres personas verdes tienen papeles con el estado por la oficina gobernador. Veronika Fimbres del San Francisco, Josh Jones del Davis, y yo soy de Rio Linda, CA. Soy hispanohablante. Trabajé en tres cocinas y escribo obras de teatro con partes en español.
Perdoname mi gramatica, necesito buscar palabras poco a poco. Yolanda, donde vives? El mejor parte del partido Verde en SudoCalifornia, en niveles locales, por ejemplo Angelica Dueñas, son luchadores por la seguridad and proteccion de immigrantes colores. Tambien los Norteños verses luchar por los personas de nacciones primerios. No es bastante. Necesitamos juntar con otros a mantener un "ferrocarril subterráneo" como abolicionistas. Es un solucción de cultura. Ayudamos, por favor. Muchas gentes en partido verde tiene amigas que pueden ayudar y necesitamos numeros del telefono o otras caminos a encuentrar los immigrantes en peligro politico.
Mi propuesta por todos los verdes: Este forum es el ferrocarril. My proposal for all greens: Use this GPCA forum to connect threatened individuals with places to stay, legal representation, and food. Extend this also to the homeless. We are a community with many spaces. If a fellow green can crash in someone's backyard once in a while, Greens can coordinate services to assist any who bring forward a need; specifically threatened immigrants.
As for green organization:
According to studies of human society growth, centralization of a body occurs naturally between 25,ooo and 50,ooo members. With centralization comes a form of dues or taxation. We have attracted through our policy of decentralization a number of individuals who prefer a system where no person wields authority over another, and there is no risk to the body of having a specific leader targeted by establishment opponents.
In order to preserve the party, we need lasting involvement and commitment to the solvency of our hard earned political rights. There are monumental figures in the green movement who call California home. Sometimes they organize against one another. The important thing is to remember that while one group may care for growth, another for power, another for change, and another for the security of the party, we are all greens. That means sticking it out.
Anyone who leaves this project or is excommunicated from the party will not have the joy of being part of a global movement for restitution against corporate greed and short sighted human demolition of the only planet we have ever walked on.
Those who have just joined the party are faced with a steep learning curve, but not one so great as most other organizations. In proceeding, we must remember that NONVIOLENCE is a personal growth issue and central tenet of the Greens. There are other movements for violent reactionaries, this is not one of them.
Most importantly, I am in favor of a do-nothing or next to nothing centralized state body (GPCA) that acts to fulfill the minimal requirements of hierarchy imposed upon us by the state. No green will disagree that we should focus on local representation, as state candidates serve more as party representatives than viable candidates for office. As such, state reps carry a heavy burden of responsibility to maintaining at least a façade of political savvy and responsive, rather than reactionary conduct. Myself included.
Sorry for the length, nowadays that's a burden. Chris Sacramento County
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On Jan 31, 2018, at 8:56 AM, F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> wrote:
Greens:
I think Thomas Leavitt said it well. As Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and presidential candidate told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! several years ago, I like the Green Party but they have "organizational problems."
Please reread what Thomas wrote above. Our country is more divided now and in my opinion, we could be the hope of the vast majority, and to be taken seriously as a political party but it takes UNITY and MONEY. For close to 100,000 registered Greens in California, we have diddly in the state treasury.
That's my two cents,
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM, yolanda catzalco <ycatzalc@hotmail.com> wrote:
All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants.
Yolanda Catzalco
------------------------------ *From:* gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of J HALL <shallow60@sbcglobal.net> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:04 PM *To:* GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes *Subject:* Re: [Gpca-votes] State level Green Party
Yes.
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt <thomleavitt@gmail.com> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen).
Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended.
Look at our budget committee page, it says:
"*Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)*"
http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget
I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples.
Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct?
I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER.
Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
-- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
-- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
Christopher, is this the correct email address to discuss immigration issues/Green Party? I hope so. I don't agree with providing space for a homeless or immigrant in a back yard. I'm involved in First They Came for the Homeless and via email forwarding deportation protests for people in San Francisco. I get the information from OccupySF announcements or from OccupySF Forum or from other Bay Area organizations. It's difficult for me to attend meetings or protests because I take care of my poor dear father 24/7 and I intend on taking care of him. In the First They Came for the Homeless posts on Facebook, & through articles on www.tribunodelpueblo.org<http://www.tribunodelpueblo.org> and www.peoplestribune.org<http://www.peoplestribune.org> I keep up with immigration struggle as well as homeless & other issues like health care. Through that work I agree that we have to organize to demand of USA government that they house the homeless, stop deportations, etc. I don't know how much longer I'm going to be in GPCA/SGP. More than likely, definitely after this June, 2018 after reading email from Laura Wells, I will not be in GPCA/SGP. Please keep in touch, Christopher. I will keep in touch with Green Party via San Francisco Greens, and maybe Facebook Green Party. I will see about staying with GPCA/SGP til June, 2018, depending on what San Francisco Greens say. Yolanda Catzalco Tribuno Del Pueblo - Immigration, Poverty, Education and ...<http://www.tribunodelpueblo.org/> www.tribunodelpueblo.org Focus on issues such as immigration, poverty, Latin America, education, housing, gangs and politics. ________________________________ From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of Christopher Carlson <chris@bestofbroadway.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:00 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes Subject: Re: [Gpca-votes] State level Green Party https://www.facebook.com/events/1823041344663403/ [https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/c78.0.200.200/p200x200/27657318_174621876380741_5968689941041136249_n.jpg?oh=5bd8c397a1a7a7c6b7f89e89440571c7&oe=5AE970A0]<https://www.facebook.com/events/1823041344663403/> Sanctuary County Ordinance: Train-the-Trainer<https://www.facebook.com/events/1823041344663403/> www.facebook.com SB 54 did NOT make California a Sanctuary State! We have just introduced an ordinance for Humboldt County to become an actual Sanctuary County to make a... On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Carlson <chris@bestofbroadway.org<mailto:chris@bestofbroadway.org>> wrote: Kelsey Reedy shared this event. An example of strides being taken in Humboldt. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Christopher Carlson <chris@bestofbroadway.org<mailto:chris@bestofbroadway.org>> wrote: Hi Yolanda, Frank, Angelica, and Tom Estoy de acuerdo sobre estes problemas. Creo que necesitamos protejerlos trabajadores y familias viviendo en California. Claro que si, ICE y DHS son cuerpos inconstitucionales que violar la enmienda cuarto y la campaña contra mis amigos en un pogrom. En presente, tres personas verdes tienen papeles con el estado por la oficina gobernador. Veronika Fimbres del San Francisco, Josh Jones del Davis, y yo soy de Rio Linda, CA. Soy hispanohablante. Trabajé en tres cocinas y escribo obras de teatro con partes en español. Perdoname mi gramatica, necesito buscar palabras poco a poco. Yolanda, donde vives? El mejor parte del partido Verde en SudoCalifornia, en niveles locales, por ejemplo Angelica Dueñas, son luchadores por la seguridad and proteccion de immigrantes colores. Tambien los Norteños verses luchar por los personas de nacciones primerios. No es bastante. Necesitamos juntar con otros a mantener un "ferrocarril subterráneo" como abolicionistas. Es un solucción de cultura. Ayudamos, por favor. Muchas gentes en partido verde tiene amigas que pueden ayudar y necesitamos numeros del telefono o otras caminos a encuentrar los immigrantes en peligro politico. Mi propuesta por todos los verdes: Este forum es el ferrocarril. My proposal for all greens: Use this GPCA forum to connect threatened individuals with places to stay, legal representation, and food. Extend this also to the homeless. We are a community with many spaces. If a fellow green can crash in someone's backyard once in a while, Greens can coordinate services to assist any who bring forward a need; specifically threatened immigrants. As for green organization: According to studies of human society growth, centralization of a body occurs naturally between 25,ooo and 50,ooo members. With centralization comes a form of dues or taxation. We have attracted through our policy of decentralization a number of individuals who prefer a system where no person wields authority over another, and there is no risk to the body of having a specific leader targeted by establishment opponents. In order to preserve the party, we need lasting involvement and commitment to the solvency of our hard earned political rights. There are monumental figures in the green movement who call California home. Sometimes they organize against one another. The important thing is to remember that while one group may care for growth, another for power, another for change, and another for the security of the party, we are all greens. That means sticking it out. Anyone who leaves this project or is excommunicated from the party will not have the joy of being part of a global movement for restitution against corporate greed and short sighted human demolition of the only planet we have ever walked on. Those who have just joined the party are faced with a steep learning curve, but not one so great as most other organizations. In proceeding, we must remember that NONVIOLENCE is a personal growth issue and central tenet of the Greens. There are other movements for violent reactionaries, this is not one of them. Most importantly, I am in favor of a do-nothing or next to nothing centralized state body (GPCA) that acts to fulfill the minimal requirements of hierarchy imposed upon us by the state. No green will disagree that we should focus on local representation, as state candidates serve more as party representatives than viable candidates for office. As such, state reps carry a heavy burden of responsibility to maintaining at least a façade of political savvy and responsive, rather than reactionary conduct. Myself included. Sorry for the length, nowadays that's a burden. Chris Sacramento County Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2018, at 8:56 AM, F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com<mailto:boatrocker2@gmail.com>> wrote: Greens: I think Thomas Leavitt said it well. As Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and presidential candidate told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! several years ago, I like the Green Party but they have "organizational problems." Please reread what Thomas wrote above. Our country is more divided now and in my opinion, we could be the hope of the vast majority, and to be taken seriously as a political party but it takes UNITY and MONEY. For close to 100,000 registered Greens in California, we have diddly in the state treasury. That's my two cents, Frank Lambert Monterey County On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM, yolanda catzalco <ycatzalc@hotmail.com<mailto:ycatzalc@hotmail.com>> wrote: All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants. Yolanda Catzalco ________________________________ From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org>> on behalf of J HALL <shallow60@sbcglobal.net<mailto:shallow60@sbcglobal.net>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:04 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes Subject: Re: [Gpca-votes] State level Green Party Yes. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Thomas Leavitt <thomleavitt@gmail.com<mailto:thomleavitt@gmail.com>> wrote: The inability of this party, at a statewide level, to conduct itself in a functional fashion, without endless bickering, infighting, plotting and conspiracy mongering (justified and otherwise), over the last TWENTY PLUS YEARS, and clearly replicated on this thread, is exactly why so many sane and reasonable party members view engagement with the party at a non-local level with trepidation, and in many cases, as an act of masochism. This is why I have absolutely, regardless of my personal view of various parties and events, abstained from participation in recent votes since being placed on the SGA, and will continue to do so. This is why the biggest Green Party in the country, by numbers, in the biggest state, apparently operates on a budget which doesn't even amount to spare change by any rational standard... all this infighting is over literal pennies. City council candidates in Santa Cruz, a city of 50,000, raise more money for their campaigns than our entire state operates on (based on the figures I've seen). Things that should be of the highest urgency and priority, are left unattended. Look at our budget committee page, it says: "Current Members (FY2013-2014 budget preparation)" http://www.cagreens.org/committees/budget I'm sure it would be effortless to find additional examples. Regardless of what recent issues we've had, there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for this page to be FIVE YEARS out of date. FIVE YEARS. Do you all realize how totally unprofessional and credibility destroying this is to all but the most motivated folks considering alternatives to the duopoly? How can any of us defend this type of performance and collective conduct? I've been formally involved with this party since I arrived in Santa Cruz in 1993, and registered since 1990. Tom Hayden sent me a postcard urging me to re-register as a Democrat when I did. I didn't. That's going on a quarter century. I've known some of you for almost that long, know parties on all sides of various internal divisions, I don't claim to be purely objective, but as someone who has deliberately tried to not emphatically plant myself on any particular faction or individual's side, I'm begging you, on behalf of all the other folks who aren't invested in these disputes, to please, figure this stuff out. Resolve your differences, or at least minimize their fallout on the rest of us. Any sane and objective evaluation, based on simple examination of the last twenty years, should make it clear that no absolute and lasting "victory" of any faction is possible - you all HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH EACH OTHER. Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
Yes Yolanda. I agree. Not enough politics. Are you bilingual? Maybe you can start translating some of the language and send that over to the Clearing House ppl. Im sure they would appreciate it. To keep upon candidates I like to use this as a resource: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G18/CA On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM, yolanda catzalco <ycatzalc@hotmail.com> wrote:
All I know is, with the exception of at the most two or three emails, I have heard nothing about our Green Party candidate for Governor anywhere, not even from Green Party. Even though we probably wouldn't win, the elections give us an opportunity to speak about Green Party values, program, etc. Also, why is the Green Party at all levels silent on the immigrants of color pogroms going on locally, statewide, and nationally? I'm probably going to receive a reply to discuss this at the green party forum email. Politics moves any party forward. I think Green Party is too stuck on organization, which is very important also as that is the vehicle to express our politics, but , yes, unfortunately, there are not enough politics, there are not enough Spanish-speaking folks writing flyers, postcards, etc. I think at least at a state level any further local voting guides should include a line or two on the pogroms (1 line) & on Green Party's position of Amnesty for immigrants.
Yolanda Catzalco
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