Green Party Sex Tape video
Dear SGA delegates I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office. I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.) At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid. But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple. Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner. Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas -- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate* *"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" *- John Lennon
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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I watched it and didn't care for it. I get what they're saying but IMO we should be taking the high road to get people to join the Green Party. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Sadie Fulton<sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote: -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of. On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Hi Angelica, I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way. I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party? While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable. Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for. You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats. I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848... Sadie On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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I saw the video and personally don't think it was in the best taste nor the most effective way to promote our Party and the importance of corporate free elections. However, it does not and would not change for me my support for the Greens or any particular candidate. As far as prostitution is concerned, there is a legitimate debate going on especially in Europe among feminists and progressives between two approaches to government policy - complete decriminalization of prostitution; and supporters of what is known as the Nordic model that decriminalizes the prostiitutes but not the men that buy and sell (mostly) women's bodies. The latter approach is not about shaming anyone but about a different understanding of the nature of prostitution and what would be most empowering for the women involved and women generally. It would be an interesting debate to have but that is tor another day. Ann Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 5, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Angelica,
I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way.
I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party?
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848...
Sadie
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote: Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC Councilmember GYG Delegate GPCA CC Member GPUS Alternate Delegate
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Sadie, You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to. If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates. Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess. I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party. I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate. I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option. I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA. With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point. I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery. I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously. I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short. Angelica Duenas On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Angelica,
I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way.
I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party?
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing- sex-workers-586329848557
Sadie
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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So… I’ve watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven’t viewed the video – as for me – just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn’t want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn’t mean the concept is wrong to create – I simply don’t know – and so I also don’t doubt the good intentions of the creators. For me, though, this conversation brings up a question – insofar as the GPCA is concerned – who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially ‘Green’ ? Who is charged with our state ‘messaging’ on an official party basis? I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party – and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office – vs. an endorsed candidate of the party. I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process – as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement…possibly? Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process? I don’t know any of the answers to these questions – so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed. From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> Reply-To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:53 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video Sadie, You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to. If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates. Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess. I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party. I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate. I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option. I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA. With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point. I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery. I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously. I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short. Angelica Duenas On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Angelica, I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way. I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party? While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable. Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for. You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats. I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848... Sadie On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of. On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote: Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: Dear SGA delegates I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office. I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.) At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid. But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple. Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner. Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas -- Angelica M. 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All, Just want to chime in here as I see some issues with the string of replies that should be taken with greater care in regards to our personal/global responsibility commitment. Please don’t put down students, many of which are grown adults, by saying you expect poor quality. Please don’t put down the creative energy of people running for office. These are people attempting to make a difference for our state and deserve the full respect, consideration, and diligence that office deserves. Please don’t speak for sex workers if you are not or have not been a sex worker. Pass the mic. Please don’t weaponize children, yours or others. We are adults capable of recognizing our own biases and harm to other adults. We can speak about our own thoughts and opinions without pointing to others including the imaginary “democrat” who will “destroy the party.” If this is not the appropriate thread (which I agree with) perhaps the discussion should end? If you have any concerns with what I’ve said please private message me or set up a channel in which we can discuss the situation further. Again, I support this video. My appeal towards individual and creative contributions is noted. You do not have to agree with me. As always best of luck to all candidates and staffers on the campaign trail. This will be my last response regarding this inquiry. Best, Aidan Hill GPAC, Councilor On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:35 PM Wanda Jean Lord <lordwandajean@gmail.com> wrote:
So… I’ve watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven’t viewed the video – as for me – just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn’t want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn’t mean the concept is wrong to create – I simply don’t know – and so I also don’t doubt the good intentions of the creators.
For me, though, this conversation brings up a question – insofar as the GPCA is concerned – who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially ‘Green’ ? Who is charged with our state ‘messaging’ on an official party basis?
I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party – and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office – vs. an endorsed candidate of the party.
I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process – as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement…possibly?
Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process?
I don’t know any of the answers to these questions – so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed.
*From: *gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> *Reply-To: *GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> *Date: *Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:53 PM *To: *GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> *Subject: *Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video
Sadie,
You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to.
If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates.
Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com
I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess.
I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party.
I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate.
I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option.
I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA.
With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point.
I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery.
I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously.
I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short.
Angelica Duenas
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Angelica,
I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way.
I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party?
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic.
https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848...
Sadie
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
--
Angelica M. Duenas, M.A.
*GPLAC Councilmember*
*GYG Delegate*
*GPCA CC Member*
*GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Im pretty sure this is an attack on freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Especially in a decentralized organization as Nicole pointed out. Just wanted to make that observation. On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Argie E. Hill <hillae@berkeley.edu> wrote:
All,
Just want to chime in here as I see some issues with the string of replies that should be taken with greater care in regards to our personal/global responsibility commitment.
Please don’t put down students, many of which are grown adults, by saying you expect poor quality.
Please don’t put down the creative energy of people running for office. These are people attempting to make a difference for our state and deserve the full respect, consideration, and diligence that office deserves.
Please don’t speak for sex workers if you are not or have not been a sex worker. Pass the mic.
Please don’t weaponize children, yours or others. We are adults capable of recognizing our own biases and harm to other adults. We can speak about our own thoughts and opinions without pointing to others including the imaginary “democrat” who will “destroy the party.”
If this is not the appropriate thread (which I agree with) perhaps the discussion should end?
If you have any concerns with what I’ve said please private message me or set up a channel in which we can discuss the situation further.
Again, I support this video. My appeal towards individual and creative contributions is noted. You do not have to agree with me.
As always best of luck to all candidates and staffers on the campaign trail. This will be my last response regarding this inquiry.
Best,
Aidan Hill GPAC, Councilor
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:35 PM Wanda Jean Lord <lordwandajean@gmail.com> wrote:
So… I’ve watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven’t viewed the video – as for me – just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn’t want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn’t mean the concept is wrong to create – I simply don’t know – and so I also don’t doubt the good intentions of the creators.
For me, though, this conversation brings up a question – insofar as the GPCA is concerned – who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially ‘Green’ ? Who is charged with our state ‘messaging’ on an official party basis?
I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party – and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office – vs. an endorsed candidate of the party.
I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process – as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement…possibly?
Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process?
I don’t know any of the answers to these questions – so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed.
*From: *gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> *Reply-To: *GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> *Date: *Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:53 PM *To: *GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> *Subject: *Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video
Sadie,
You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to.
If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates.
Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com
I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess.
I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party.
I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate.
I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option.
I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA.
With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point.
I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery.
I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously.
I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short.
Angelica Duenas
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Angelica,
I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way.
I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party?
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing- sex-workers-586329848557
Sadie
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
--
Angelica M. Duenas, M.A.
*GPLAC Councilmember*
*GYG Delegate*
*GPCA CC Member*
*GPUS Alternate Delegate*
*"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" *- John Lennon
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Former Bernie Sanders Delegate
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Twinkles On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Argie E. Hill <hillae@berkeley.edu> wrote:
All,
Just want to chime in here as I see some issues with the string of replies that should be taken with greater care in regards to our personal/global responsibility commitment.
Please don’t put down students, many of which are grown adults, by saying you expect poor quality.
Please don’t put down the creative energy of people running for office. These are people attempting to make a difference for our state and deserve the full respect, consideration, and diligence that office deserves.
Please don’t speak for sex workers if you are not or have not been a sex worker. Pass the mic.
Please don’t weaponize children, yours or others. We are adults capable of recognizing our own biases and harm to other adults. We can speak about our own thoughts and opinions without pointing to others including the imaginary “democrat” who will “destroy the party.”
If this is not the appropriate thread (which I agree with) perhaps the discussion should end?
If you have any concerns with what I’ve said please private message me or set up a channel in which we can discuss the situation further.
Again, I support this video. My appeal towards individual and creative contributions is noted. You do not have to agree with me.
As always best of luck to all candidates and staffers on the campaign trail. This will be my last response regarding this inquiry.
Best,
Aidan Hill GPAC, Councilor
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:35 PM Wanda Jean Lord <lordwandajean@gmail.com> wrote:
So… I’ve watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven’t viewed the video – as for me – just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn’t want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn’t mean the concept is wrong to create – I simply don’t know – and so I also don’t doubt the good intentions of the creators.
For me, though, this conversation brings up a question – insofar as the GPCA is concerned – who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially ‘Green’ ? Who is charged with our state ‘messaging’ on an official party basis?
I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party – and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office – vs. an endorsed candidate of the party.
I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process – as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement…possibly?
Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process?
I don’t know any of the answers to these questions – so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed.
*From: *gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> *Reply-To: *GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> *Date: *Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:53 PM *To: *GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> *Subject: *Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video
Sadie,
You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to.
If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates.
Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com
I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess.
I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party.
I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate.
I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option.
I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA.
With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point.
I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery.
I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously.
I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short.
Angelica Duenas
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Angelica,
I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way.
I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party?
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing- sex-workers-586329848557
Sadie
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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The proposal for an endorsement process makes no mention of a vetting process, or any such conditions of endorsement. Voting for it is voting for a blank check. Nobody authorizes content, in a case like this, in a decentralized organization. Instead, such things are dictated by community pressure & support, which is why it's also important to have these discussions amongst us, rather than in private, so that the people involved can weigh in. -N On Mar 6, 2018 5:35 PM, "Wanda Jean Lord" <lordwandajean@gmail.com> wrote:
So… I’ve watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven’t viewed the video – as for me – just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn’t want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn’t mean the concept is wrong to create – I simply don’t know – and so I also don’t doubt the good intentions of the creators.
For me, though, this conversation brings up a question – insofar as the GPCA is concerned – who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially ‘Green’ ? Who is charged with our state ‘messaging’ on an official party basis?
I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party – and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office – vs. an endorsed candidate of the party.
I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process – as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement…possibly?
Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process?
I don’t know any of the answers to these questions – so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed.
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Sadie,
You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to.
If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates.
Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com
I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess.
I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party.
I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate.
I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option.
I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA.
With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point.
I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery.
I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously.
I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short.
Angelica Duenas
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Angelica,
I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way.
I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party?
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing- sex-workers-586329848557
Sadie
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Perhaps wiser heads can set me straight, but my impression is that the Key Value of decentralization pretty much gives free reign to anyone who wants to raise a few hundred dollars and go out on social media and advertise him or herself as a Green candidate. Recent discussions of State endorsements have recognized the danger that a White Supremacist might decide to run him or herself under the Green banner, and there was little we could do to obstruct it. I got into a bitter dispute with a well-regarded Green candidate years ago over what I regarded as her abuse of the mandate of decentralization. I'm not a lawyer and can not propose a solution. It's a problem. ________________________________ From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of Wanda Jean Lord <lordwandajean@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 3:05 PM To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video So… I’ve watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven’t viewed the video – as for me – just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn’t want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn’t mean the concept is wrong to create – I simply don’t know – and so I also don’t doubt the good intentions of the creators. For me, though, this conversation brings up a question – insofar as the GPCA is concerned – who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially ‘Green’ ? Who is charged with our state ‘messaging’ on an official party basis? I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party – and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office – vs. an endorsed candidate of the party. I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process – as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement…possibly? Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process? I don’t know any of the answers to these questions – so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed. From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org> on behalf of Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> Reply-To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:53 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video Sadie, You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to. If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates. Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com<http://angelica4congress.com/> [http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/angelica4congress/sites/1/meta_images/original/angelica_congress-02.png?1502394741]<http://angelica4congress.com/> Angelica Duenas for Congress<http://angelica4congress.com/> angelica4congress.com Mother fighting for her kids' future and a future for all of us. I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess. I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party. I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate. I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option. I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA. With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point. I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery. I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously. I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short. Angelica Duenas On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com<mailto:sadie.fulton@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Angelica, I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way. I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party? While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable. Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for. You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats. I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848... Sadie On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org<mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of. On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com<mailto:sadie.fulton@gmail.com>> wrote: Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org<mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office. I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.) At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid. But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple. Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner. Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas -- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC Councilmember GYG Delegate GPCA CC Member GPUS Alternate Delegate "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" - John Lennon -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes gpca-votes Info Page - sfgreens.org<https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes> list.sfgreens.org Your email address: Your name (optional): You may enter a privacy password below. 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The key influence that the GA/SGA has in this is the ability to endorse or oppose candidates. Endorsed candidates can claim that they have been endorsed by the Green Party. However registered Greens who are not endorsed cannot make that claim. Likewise, though it is rare, Green Parties have publicly opposed candidates who clearly do not follow Green values. The GA/SGA can do so. Eric Brooks SF, CA From: gpca-votes [mailto:gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:38 PM To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video Perhaps wiser heads can set me straight, but my impression is that the Key Value of decentralization pretty much gives free reign to anyone who wants to raise a few hundred dollars and go out on social media and advertise him or herself as a Green candidate. Recent discussions of State endorsements have recognized the danger that a White Supremacist might decide to run him or herself under the Green banner, and there was little we could do to obstruct it. I got into a bitter dispute with a well-regarded Green candidate years ago over what I regarded as her abuse of the mandate of decentralization. I'm not a lawyer and can not propose a solution. It's a problem. ________________________________ From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org>> on behalf of Wanda Jean Lord <lordwandajean@gmail.com<mailto:lordwandajean@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 3:05 PM To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video So... I've watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven't viewed the video - as for me - just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn't want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn't mean the concept is wrong to create - I simply don't know - and so I also don't doubt the good intentions of the creators. For me, though, this conversation brings up a question - insofar as the GPCA is concerned - who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially 'Green' ? Who is charged with our state 'messaging' on an official party basis? I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party - and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office - vs. an endorsed candidate of the party. I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process - as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement...possibly? Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process? I don't know any of the answers to these questions - so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed. From: gpca-votes <gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org>> on behalf of Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org<mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> Reply-To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org>> Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:53 PM To: GPCA Discussion List for SGA Votes <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org>> Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video Sadie, You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to. If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates. Yes, I am running for Congress in California's 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com<http://angelica4congress.com/> [http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/angelica4congress/sites/1/meta_images/original/angelica_congress-02.png?1502394741]<http://angelica4congress.com/> Angelica Duenas for Congress<http://angelica4congress.com/> angelica4congress.com Mother fighting for her kids' future and a future for all of us. I don't think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up ... maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People's Party? .... I can only guess. I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven't been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don't appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party. I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate. I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all ...I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option. I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA. With a clarification that No there is no sex video ... "but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay"..... type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point. I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort - rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery. I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate.... And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously. I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements - that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short. Angelica Duenas On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com<mailto:sadie.fulton@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Angelica, I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way. I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party? While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing "disturbing" "offensive" or "embarrassing" about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don't believe that is acceptable. Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for. You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don't see the messages we do in our formats. I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848... Sadie On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org<mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of. On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com<mailto:sadie.fulton@gmail.com>> wrote: Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org<mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state's highest office. I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.) At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms - solid. But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple. Given this, for anyone seeking our party's endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words "Green Party" should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party's name in that manner. Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas -- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC Councilmember GYG Delegate GPCA CC Member GPUS Alternate Delegate "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" - John Lennon -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes gpca-votes Info Page - sfgreens.org<https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes> list.sfgreens.org Your email address: Your name (optional): You may enter a privacy password below. 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I get the point (no pun intended), I chuckled, yes, they needed a director, but anything "porn" is to many misogynistic and exploitive. Annnd, the national narrative on rape, abuse, trafficking, paedophiles, and the list goes on does not help the choice to put this out from us nice and sweat Greens. A for effort, but sorry, two thumbs down. James Young GP Orange County <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 7:38 PM, Brian <snug.bug@hotmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps wiser heads can set me straight, but my impression is that the Key Value of decentralization
pretty much gives free reign to anyone who wants to raise a few hundred dollars and go out on social media and advertise him or herself as a Green candidate.
Recent discussions of State endorsements have recognized the danger that a White Supremacist might decide to run him or herself under the Green banner, and there was little we could do to obstruct it. I got into a bitter dispute with a well-regarded Green candidate years ago over what I regarded as her abuse of the mandate of decentralization.
I'm not a lawyer and can not propose a solution. It's a problem.
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So… I’ve watched this discussion for a while and must confess I haven’t viewed the video – as for me – just the title is offputting enough that I wouldn’t want to click on it. However, me being initially offput by the concept doesn’t mean the concept is wrong to create – I simply don’t know – and so I also don’t doubt the good intentions of the creators.
For me, though, this conversation brings up a question – insofar as the GPCA is concerned – who is charged with media production and the vetting of content and the authorizing of content that is officially ‘Green’ ? Who is charged with our state ‘messaging’ on an official party basis?
I do tend to agree that there needs to be a consistency of messaging for the party – and that there is a difference, and a distinction ought to be made, between a person speaking as an individual who happens to be a registered green voter and running for public office – vs. an endorsed candidate of the party.
I think this does tie into the need for an endorsement process – as an endorsed candidate might then have a level of review and communication standards that would come along with endorsement…possibly?
Or maybe there are no such checks and balances at all in the state level GPCA process?
I don’t know any of the answers to these questions – so any kind and sincere educational response would be welcomed.
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Sadie,
You are sorry that I am unable to see passed what prior indoctrination? Care to elaborate? Not sure what you are referring to.
If I would have seen this sort campaign ads from a GP Gubernatorial candidate with many local GP endorsements I would not have given the GP serious consideration. I would have assumed that this is not a serious party ready to put up serious candidates.
Yes, I am running for Congress in California’s 29th Congressional District. Please check out our website: angelica4congress.com <http://angelica4congress.com/> Angelica Duenas for Congress <http://angelica4congress.com/> angelica4congress.com Mother fighting for her kids' future and a future for all of us.
I don’t think that I mentioned going back or staying with the Democratic Party at all. I am not sure where I would have ended up … maybe PSL? La Raza Unida? NPP? Movement for a People’s Party? …. I can only guess.
I have not gone back and forth between the Democratic Party, I haven’t been active in the ADEM or Kimberly Ellis efforts or anything like that. So I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I would have chosen an Establishment Party.
I have been giving 100% of my efforts to the Green Party. I am involved in all levels of the GP. Local club, County, State, National and International (GYG) and am now a Candidate.
I a mother of 5 children and am doing my best to do it all …I am running a mature and focused campaign. And this video makes a mockery of our work. Serious activist on the ground are working very hard to establish our Party as a serious option.
I think that the video missed a perfect opportunity for an informative PSA.
With a clarification that No there is no sex video … “but now that we have your attention let us tell you about the outrageous candidate fees we have to pay”….. type thing. With text and graphics to better illustrate the point.
I feel that the video itself is offensive to Sex Workers if you ask me. I feel that this video is making fun of sex work. Making it appear like Sex Work is an act of desperation or last resort – rather than a legitimate profession. I believe that sex work should be legalized and that this is the only way to protect sex workers from trafficking and slavery.
I am running for Congress as a Green candidate. It has not been easy to establish myself as a serious candidate as a 3rd party candidate…. And this is not making it any easier to be taken seriously.
I think that the big message was lost in the shallow presentation. It would have been better with a deeper presentation regarding the ridiculous filing fees and signature requirements – that are killing 3rd party presence on the ballot. I feel that there was certain potential in this video to deliver a real PSA. But it fell short.
Angelica Duenas
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Angelica,
I understand your concern with our promotional video. However, I cannot sit quiet and allow you to speak in this way.
I am concerned that you have claimed you would have not considered joining the Green Party had you seen this video prior. You are running for an office position as a green, no? I am disturbed by the fact you would state that, due to a video intended to draw attention to hot button topics like public funding, you would have turned away from the Green Values and all the things the Green Party has done.... and what? Gone back to the Democratic Party?
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing- sex-workers-586329848557
Sadie
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:57 Angelica Duenas, <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
I think there was a miscommunication. I had watched the Video...but I have not watched Monty Python. Which he mentioned that this was a parody of.
On Mar 5, 2018 9:55 AM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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i meant to address this question to Sadie Fulton. Jane On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Sadie Fulton, i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
i meant to address this question to Sadie Fulton. Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Thanks Jane. Yes, it did. We have a ways to go still, but many people are seeing it and donating who wouldn't ordinarily do so. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Sadie Fulton, i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
i meant to address this question to Sadie Fulton. Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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I had not said anything remotely close to implying sex work is disturbing, offensive, embarrassing, etc. What is disturbing, offensive, embarrassing is that the video seems to be mocking a legitimate occupation, painting it as a sort of "last resort" to stoop to out of desperation in meeting financial goals. Would the video be funny if you replaced sex tape with "taking a job as a receptionist" to pay for filing fees? I had posted an article above, which a similar one is now posted, which illustrates popular sentiment regarding a troubling stance of GP on sex work, and i shared this to demonstrate that we ought to be careful in the impression we give. -N While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable. Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for. You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats. I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848... On Mar 5, 2018 1:59 PM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Jane. Yes, it did. We have a ways to go still, but many people are seeing it and donating who wouldn't ordinarily do so.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Sadie Fulton, i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
i meant to address this question to Sadie Fulton. Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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There seems to be a technical issue with this thread. Somehow Nicole responded to Sadie’s question directed to Angelica?! I have seen this happen before on some threads and was wondering if there is a technical problem that mixes up respondents’ identity and/or emails. I know as a technical issue this is not on topic, but if there’s a glitch confusing the identity of SGA members on these threads it needs to be fixed. I assume this is a topic for the list admins? Or should IT investigate? Nassim Nouri Green Party of Santa Clara County ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Mar 5, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva@gmail.com> wrote:
I had not said anything remotely close to implying sex work is disturbing, offensive, embarrassing, etc.
What is disturbing, offensive, embarrassing is that the video seems to be mocking a legitimate occupation, painting it as a sort of "last resort" to stoop to out of desperation in meeting financial goals. Would the video be funny if you replaced sex tape with "taking a job as a receptionist" to pay for filing fees?
I had posted an article above, which a similar one is now posted, which illustrates popular sentiment regarding a troubling stance of GP on sex work, and i shared this to demonstrate that we ought to be careful in the impression we give.
-N
While we are here, it is important that I mention, there is absolutely nothing “disturbing” “offensive” or “embarrassing” about sex work. By stating that this concept is so offensive to you, this is what you are stating and I don’t believe that is acceptable.
Furthermore, if you listen to the video and script you will hear that this video was ALSO intended to draw attention to that fact. As a statement against slut shaming, and for the media to draw more attention to things that matter. Like Monsanto and Chevron corruption. Which, by the way, is something I know MANY greens are actively fighting for.
You being offended by the idea of sex work, is unfortunate. I am sorry that you were not able to see past your prior indoctrination to see the big messages being a video made humorous to get the message out to demographics who don’t see the messages we do in our formats.
I would implore you to look into this topic. https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848... <https://theestablishment.co/the-green-party-is-failing-sex-workers-586329848557> On Mar 5, 2018 1:59 PM, "Sadie Fulton" <sadie.fulton@gmail.com <mailto:sadie.fulton@gmail.com>> wrote: Thanks Jane. Yes, it did. We have a ways to go still, but many people are seeing it and donating who wouldn't ordinarily do so.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com <mailto:jjarlsberg@gmail.com>> wrote: Sadie Fulton, i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com <mailto:jjarlsberg@gmail.com>> wrote: i meant to address this question to Sadie Fulton. Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com <mailto:jjarlsberg@gmail.com>> wrote: i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com <mailto:sadie.fulton@gmail.com>> wrote: Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg <https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg>) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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I thought it was Funny and good use of dead pan humor. As the Green Party we DO NOT GET COVERAGE in the normal news cycle. Jill Stein had to spray paint heavy machinery at Standing Rock, to get any mention of her support for the Water Protectors. We all know that the spray paint was going to chip off the first time it is used in any capacity. But it was a Green Party Stunt. Bernie, if anyone cares, got TV time when a little bird flew onto his Podium. It was the best press he got his entire election. Ben Emery had a press release in 2010 that said "Ben Emery Calls Tom McClintock a Carpet Bagger". Did Ben actually use those words, not exactly but Ben was the ONLY candidate that actually lived in the District, and he did say that. Drama works. I love British humor, It is SO HARD to run as a Green , lets all stick together and laugh when we can. And Yes there are 3 greens going to court against Monsanto this Thur at the Yolo County Court house, we could use support of any and all Greens that can make the 1 pm trial on the 5th floor, Dept 13, 1000 Main St, Woodland, Ca In Solidarity, Sue Roberts Emery On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:51 PM, Sadie Fulton wrote:
Thanks Jane. Yes, it did. We have a ways to go still, but many people are seeing it and donating who wouldn't ordinarily do so.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote: Sadie Fulton, i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote: i meant to address this question to Sadie Fulton. Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Jane Jarlsberg <jjarlsberg@gmail.com> wrote: i guess the bottom line on this thread is did this satire help raise funds for your campaigns?! peace, Jane
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Sadie Fulton <sadie.fulton@gmail.com> wrote: Angelica, When you raised your objection to this video you had not even watched it. Have you watched it yet? Sadie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 02:05 Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Well said, and I completely agree. I was never completely sold on the Green Party, and this may push me out. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:06 AM, Angelica Duenas<angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: Dear SGA delegates I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. Ifind the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someoneseeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office. I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party atthe August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended asan interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as aBerniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.) At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, MikeFeinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like hemight Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate).Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectivelygoing Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about theGreen Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value oninternal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid. But I have to say that if I would have come across this JoshJones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, Iwould have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and contentis immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment couldhave been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain andsimple. Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, Ithink the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if thisembarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” shouldbe removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to postsomething like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner. Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas -- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC CouncilmemberGYG DelegateGPCA CC MemberGPUS Alternate Delegate "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" - John Lennon -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
Mike, The Green Party has well stated values and if you share those values, you are a Green. I hope you consider the values of competing parties before you abandon our Party and our values. One candidate who uses poor judgement does not invalidate the entire party. Jeff Lebow OC Green Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 5, 2018, at 7:02 AM, Mike Yasmer <serg92506@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well said, and I completely agree. I was never completely sold on the Green Party, and this may push me out.
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On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:06 AM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron. I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians. -- Victoria On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this. Genevieve Marcus On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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What's the purpose of sending this to the GPCA-SGA-VOTES list during a voting discussion, other than to affect the endorsement or non-endorsement of Josh Jones? It just seems to me that this conversation would be far more appropriate in a more transparent setting such as the GPCA Forum if anyone finds the conduct truly troubling, or out of bounds for the party. If you wish for his campaign to simply change the title, did you attempt to have this discussion one on one with the Jones campaign? If so, what was their response? Did you make any attempts to resolve this issue with the Jones campaign prior to this email? Personally, this type of intra-party discussion where we're not working on lifting each other up is the type of thing that turns me away from the Green party structure. It doesn't affect my affinity for the party itself as the party's values are what brought me here. I think it's a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for candidates to spend their time fighting in emails when there's a much bigger fight to be had out there, especially during the frigging Election season. I hope you can all put these sorts of differences aside and realize we're all on the same team and that our time can be much more effective if we work together against the forces of neoliberalism instead of picking on each other over campaigning style. Thanks. Colt On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Genevieve Marcus <genevieve.marcus@gmail.com
wrote:
Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this.
Genevieve Marcus
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Thank you Colt, I completely agree. If anyone is ‘disturbed' by this, it is surely a worthy discussion to have directly with Josh Jones. We do have a much bigger fight; it’s for the future of this party, and it certainly isn’t with each other. Nassim Nouri Green Party of Santa Clara County ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Mar 5, 2018, at 6:06 PM, Colt Gonzales <coltgonzales@sjcgreens.org> wrote:
What's the purpose of sending this to the GPCA-SGA-VOTES list during a voting discussion, other than to affect the endorsement or non-endorsement of Josh Jones?
It just seems to me that this conversation would be far more appropriate in a more transparent setting such as the GPCA Forum if anyone finds the conduct truly troubling, or out of bounds for the party.
If you wish for his campaign to simply change the title, did you attempt to have this discussion one on one with the Jones campaign? If so, what was their response?
Did you make any attempts to resolve this issue with the Jones campaign prior to this email?
Personally, this type of intra-party discussion where we're not working on lifting each other up is the type of thing that turns me away from the Green party structure. It doesn't affect my affinity for the party itself as the party's values are what brought me here.
I think it's a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for candidates to spend their time fighting in emails when there's a much bigger fight to be had out there, especially during the frigging Election season.
I hope you can all put these sorts of differences aside and realize we're all on the same team and that our time can be much more effective if we work together against the forces of neoliberalism instead of picking on each other over campaigning style.
Thanks.
Colt
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Genevieve Marcus <genevieve.marcus@gmail.com <mailto:genevieve.marcus@gmail.com>> wrote: Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this.
Genevieve Marcus
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com <mailto:victronix01@gmail.com>> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com <mailto:victronix01@gmail.com>> wrote: I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com <mailto:jlebow@socal.rr.com>> wrote: Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg <https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg>) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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I did reach out to Josh prior to writing the original email. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Nassim Nouri <nassim1nouri@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Colt, I completely agree. If anyone is ‘disturbed' by this, it is surely a worthy discussion to have directly with Josh Jones. We do have a much bigger fight; it’s for the future of this party, and it certainly isn’t with each other.
Nassim Nouri Green Party of Santa Clara County ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Mar 5, 2018, at 6:06 PM, Colt Gonzales <coltgonzales@sjcgreens.org> wrote:
What's the purpose of sending this to the GPCA-SGA-VOTES list during a voting discussion, other than to affect the endorsement or non-endorsement of Josh Jones?
It just seems to me that this conversation would be far more appropriate in a more transparent setting such as the GPCA Forum if anyone finds the conduct truly troubling, or out of bounds for the party.
If you wish for his campaign to simply change the title, did you attempt to have this discussion one on one with the Jones campaign? If so, what was their response?
Did you make any attempts to resolve this issue with the Jones campaign prior to this email?
Personally, this type of intra-party discussion where we're not working on lifting each other up is the type of thing that turns me away from the Green party structure. It doesn't affect my affinity for the party itself as the party's values are what brought me here.
I think it's a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for candidates to spend their time fighting in emails when there's a much bigger fight to be had out there, especially during the frigging Election season.
I hope you can all put these sorts of differences aside and realize we're all on the same team and that our time can be much more effective if we work together against the forces of neoliberalism instead of picking on each other over campaigning style.
Thanks.
Colt
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Genevieve Marcus < genevieve.marcus@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this.
Genevieve Marcus
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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I agree with Colt that sending this kind of email to the SGA-Vote discussion mailing list amounts to a significant bias against a Green candidate. Probably not the best medium. That being said, I personally really enjoyed the video! It is a short, funny and spot-on satire of the influence of money in politics (love the "in bed" comment). Not at all insulting to sex workers. None of the "actors" take themselves too seriously which is *exactly *what we need! Humor will save us. Take it easy, -Christine On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Colt Gonzales <coltgonzales@sjcgreens.org> wrote:
What's the purpose of sending this to the GPCA-SGA-VOTES list during a voting discussion, other than to affect the endorsement or non-endorsement of Josh Jones?
It just seems to me that this conversation would be far more appropriate in a more transparent setting such as the GPCA Forum if anyone finds the conduct truly troubling, or out of bounds for the party.
If you wish for his campaign to simply change the title, did you attempt to have this discussion one on one with the Jones campaign? If so, what was their response?
Did you make any attempts to resolve this issue with the Jones campaign prior to this email?
Personally, this type of intra-party discussion where we're not working on lifting each other up is the type of thing that turns me away from the Green party structure. It doesn't affect my affinity for the party itself as the party's values are what brought me here.
I think it's a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for candidates to spend their time fighting in emails when there's a much bigger fight to be had out there, especially during the frigging Election season.
I hope you can all put these sorts of differences aside and realize we're all on the same team and that our time can be much more effective if we work together against the forces of neoliberalism instead of picking on each other over campaigning style.
Thanks.
Colt
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Genevieve Marcus < genevieve.marcus@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this.
Genevieve Marcus
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Thank you Colt. I continue to be saddened by the tone Greens seem to be taking with one another. No need for us to insult each other. In fairness, all the different forums and committees are confusing. And it is often difficult to know where to take a conversation. But GPCA-SGA-VOTES has a very clear title that implies a fairly clear purpose. "Sex Tape" is definitely a provocative title and will evoke different reactions in different people. We are a diverse group with diverse values and so, we are sure to offend one another at one time or another. We can learn to be gracious (no matter if we are the offender, or the offended). Also, it is always a good rule of thumb in all instances (Green Party or otherwise) to go directly to the person(s) you have a disagreement with. Then, if an agreement can't be had between the two of you, bring it to the next circle of influence for assistance and support, then to the next- only if needed (to avoid unnecessary escalation of conflict and drama). We can build a better world, but only if we start with ourselves. From: Colt Gonzales <coltgonzales@sjcgreens.org> To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video What's the purpose of sending this to the GPCA-SGA-VOTES list during a voting discussion, other than to affect the endorsement or non-endorsement of Josh Jones? It just seems to me that this conversation would be far more appropriate in a more transparent setting such as the GPCA Forum if anyone finds the conduct truly troubling, or out of bounds for the party. If you wish for his campaign to simply change the title, did you attempt to have this discussion one on one with the Jones campaign? If so, what was their response? Did you make any attempts to resolve this issue with the Jones campaign prior to this email? Personally, this type of intra-party discussion where we're not working on lifting each other up is the type of thing that turns me away from the Green party structure. It doesn't affect my affinity for the party itself as the party's values are what brought me here. I think it's a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for candidates to spend their time fighting in emails when there's a much bigger fight to be had out there, especially during the frigging Election season. I hope you can all put these sorts of differences aside and realize we're all on the same team and that our time can be much more effective if we work together against the forces of neoliberalism instead of picking on each other over campaigning style. Thanks. Colt On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Genevieve Marcus <genevieve.marcus@gmail.com> wrote: Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this. Genevieve Marcus On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron. I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians. -- Victoria On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote: Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff LebowOC Greens Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: Dear SGA delegates I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. Ifind the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someoneseeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office. I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party atthe August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended asan interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as aBerniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.) At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, MikeFeinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like hemight Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate).Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectivelygoing Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about theGreen Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value oninternal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid. But I have to say that if I would have come across this JoshJones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, Iwould have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and contentis immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment couldhave been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain andsimple. Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, Ithink the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if thisembarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” shouldbe removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to postsomething like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner. Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas -- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC CouncilmemberGYG DelegateGPCA CC MemberGPUS Alternate Delegate "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" - John Lennon -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-vote s -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-vote s -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-vote s -- "We have it in our power to begin the world over again." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776 -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca- votes -- Colt GonzalesCouncilmemberSan Joaquin County Green Party-- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
I apologize if I wrote this on the wrong list. For some reason I have some stuff under this email .. some under angelica.greenparty@gmail.com On my phone I have multiple email accounts .... I didn't look at what account I was logged on at the time that I sent the original email. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Colt Gonzales <coltgonzales@sjcgreens.org> wrote:
What's the purpose of sending this to the GPCA-SGA-VOTES list during a voting discussion, other than to affect the endorsement or non-endorsement of Josh Jones?
It just seems to me that this conversation would be far more appropriate in a more transparent setting such as the GPCA Forum if anyone finds the conduct truly troubling, or out of bounds for the party.
If you wish for his campaign to simply change the title, did you attempt to have this discussion one on one with the Jones campaign? If so, what was their response?
Did you make any attempts to resolve this issue with the Jones campaign prior to this email?
Personally, this type of intra-party discussion where we're not working on lifting each other up is the type of thing that turns me away from the Green party structure. It doesn't affect my affinity for the party itself as the party's values are what brought me here.
I think it's a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for candidates to spend their time fighting in emails when there's a much bigger fight to be had out there, especially during the frigging Election season.
I hope you can all put these sorts of differences aside and realize we're all on the same team and that our time can be much more effective if we work together against the forces of neoliberalism instead of picking on each other over campaigning style.
Thanks.
Colt
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Genevieve Marcus < genevieve.marcus@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this.
Genevieve Marcus
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com> wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Hi all, As a Vote Admin I have to say that I think it is fine that this conversation is happening on the SGA Vote email list, because it involves a candidate who may be listed as one of our choices for endorsement on our upcoming SGA ballot. Eric Brooks SGA Vote Administrator From: gpca-votes [mailto:gpca-votes-bounces@sfgreens.org] On Behalf Of Angelica Duenas Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 2:00 PM To: GPCA-SGA-Vote discussion <gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> Subject: Re: [GPCA-SGA-Votes] Green Party Sex Tape video I apologize if I wrote this on the wrong list. For some reason I have some stuff under this email .. some under angelica.greenparty@gmail.com<mailto:angelica.greenparty@gmail.com> On my phone I have multiple email accounts .... I didn't look at what account I was logged on at the time that I sent the original email. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Colt Gonzales <coltgonzales@sjcgreens.org<mailto:coltgonzales@sjcgreens.org>> wrote: What's the purpose of sending this to the GPCA-SGA-VOTES list during a voting discussion, other than to affect the endorsement or non-endorsement of Josh Jones? It just seems to me that this conversation would be far more appropriate in a more transparent setting such as the GPCA Forum if anyone finds the conduct truly troubling, or out of bounds for the party. If you wish for his campaign to simply change the title, did you attempt to have this discussion one on one with the Jones campaign? If so, what was their response? Did you make any attempts to resolve this issue with the Jones campaign prior to this email? Personally, this type of intra-party discussion where we're not working on lifting each other up is the type of thing that turns me away from the Green party structure. It doesn't affect my affinity for the party itself as the party's values are what brought me here. I think it's a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for candidates to spend their time fighting in emails when there's a much bigger fight to be had out there, especially during the frigging Election season. I hope you can all put these sorts of differences aside and realize we're all on the same team and that our time can be much more effective if we work together against the forces of neoliberalism instead of picking on each other over campaigning style. Thanks. Colt On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Genevieve Marcus <genevieve.marcus@gmail.com<mailto:genevieve.marcus@gmail.com>> wrote: Apparently, some people don't see it as a joke. Perhaps the TV host should say something at the end to clarify this. Genevieve Marcus On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com<mailto:victronix01@gmail.com>> wrote:
I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising
It's a joke, they are highlighting the core issue of our party of taking no corporate donations. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Victoria Ashley <victronix01@gmail.com<mailto:victronix01@gmail.com>> wrote: I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron. I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians. -- Victoria On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com<mailto:jlebow@socal.rr.com>> wrote: Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org<mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office. I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.) At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid. But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple. Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner. Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas -- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC Councilmember GYG Delegate GPCA CC Member GPUS Alternate Delegate "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" - John Lennon -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- "We have it in our power to begin the world over again." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776 -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- Colt Gonzales Councilmember San Joaquin County Green Party -- gpca-votes mailing list gpca-votes@sfgreens.org<mailto:gpca-votes@sfgreens.org> https://list.sfgreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes -- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. Political Organizer - Green Party Member Former Jill Stein 2016 Campaign Coordinator Former Bernie Sanders Delegate "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" - John Lennon
It would have been nice to have better production values, but I suspect neighboring Sacto's Greta Gerwig was too busy down in LaLaLand. ;-) this thread shows once again that humor isn't universal, you can't make everyone laugh. Bob On 3/5/18 08:49, Victoria Ashley wrote:
I loved it! Especially the comment at the comment about Monsanto and Chevron.
I think this is a great use of humor and creativity to address corporate control of politicians.
-- Victoria
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Lebow <jlebow@socal.rr.com <mailto:jlebow@socal.rr.com>> wrote:
Is this real or a hatchet job by Green opponents? If it is real, it is really poor judgement and is quite disturbing. I could not support a candidate taking this approach to fundraising. It’s just wrong. The fair thing would be for the candidate himself to explain whether this is real or why he took this extreme action. Jeff Lebow OC Greens
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On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Agree with you Angelica. I realize it was supposed to be humorous and fun, however it is not appropriate. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:05 AM Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Thanks for sharing that! I completely agree. Fortunately, there are other Green gubernatorial candidates seeking our endorsement. Veronika Fimbres has had a few good articles written about her, and I don't know much about Chris. JMC -- John-Marc Chandonia (jmc@sfgreens.org) http://sfgreens.org/
I'm all for this video and humor that raises our core Green Party values !... On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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SAY WHAT???? Gloria
On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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All, I support the video. Sex work is real work. Awareness raising is necessary. If you can’t support this perhaps an organization dedicated to community based economics and social justice isn’t the place for you. We are not corporate shills, it’s time to act like it and stop demanding respectability politics. If you didn’t want to see this video, you should have donated to the campaign. The video is satire! Aidan Hill Green Party of Alameda County, Councilor On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:21 PM Gloria Purcell <gloria@extragalactic.net> wrote:
SAY WHAT???? Gloria
On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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If I cannot support an unprofessional video ad, then I don't have a place in the Green Party? Wow. That is a shame that I have been dedicating my time at the local, county, State, National and International level. So running a serious campaign is being a Corporate Shill? I don't know what to say to this. If I did not want to see the video I should donated? .... To be honest If I would have known ahead of time I would have figured out my budget and would have sacrificed some fun time funds that we put aside for our 5 children and would have donated to their campaigns. I understand the video is satire, however, I don't think that this ad this much to help our Party, their campaign or their fundraising. Angelica Duenas *San Fernando Valley Greens, Founding Member* *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate* *https://www.angelica4congress.com/ <https://www.angelica4congress.com/>* On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Argie E. Hill <hillae@berkeley.edu> wrote:
All,
I support the video. Sex work is real work. Awareness raising is necessary. If you can’t support this perhaps an organization dedicated to community based economics and social justice isn’t the place for you.
We are not corporate shills, it’s time to act like it and stop demanding respectability politics. If you didn’t want to see this video, you should have donated to the campaign.
The video is satire!
Aidan Hill Green Party of Alameda County, Councilor
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:21 PM Gloria Purcell <gloria@extragalactic.net> wrote:
SAY WHAT???? Gloria
On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth. $.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for. BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else? Frank Lambert Monterey County On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Josh Jones will be on Ethan Bearman show, KGO Radio 810 on the dial, 11 am Tuesday March 6th. Listen live as speaks to the Green Party's 10 Key Values. NO JOKE, Sue On Mar 5, 2018, at 5:54 PM, F Lambert wrote:
It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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It's mocking sex workers... On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Dear Green friends, I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique. I agree! We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation. OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me. I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. It is rough to be an elected Green! At home, I care three children with my husband David Curtis, who twice ran statewide as a Green Party candidate. . Our budget is limited. If we could, we would donate to every Green candidate in the United States. This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me who haven’t donated to Josh Jones. Honestly, I’ve never met the guy. I’ve never talked to him by phone. Yes! 46-year-olds like me still use the telephone. He’s never contacted me by phone, text or email. The video is embarrassing too. In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video. I’m going to add in all of my titles per the request of one of the list administrators. I hate the titles, but maybe it provides some context to new Greens. Welcome to all of you! Thank you for joining our bad ass party. Peace, Marnie Glickman Dixie School Board Trustee, San Rafael, CA Marin Green Party County Council Member Former Co-Chair of the Green Party of the United States Former Managing Director of the Green Party of California Former Co-Chair of the Green Party of the United States Platform Committee Former Member of the Green Party of the United States International Committee
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com <mailto:boatrocker2@gmail.com>> wrote: It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg <https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg>) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Good stuff, Marnie! I'd love to have you on my Livestream (Mana Talk with James on Youtube) in the near future. If you can fit me that would be fantastic. Mahalo nui loha, James Young On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 12:41 AM Marnie Glickman <marnie.glickman@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Green friends,
I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique. I agree!
We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation.
OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me.
I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. It is rough to be an elected Green! At home, I care three children with my husband David Curtis, who twice ran statewide as a Green Party candidate. . Our budget is limited. If we could, we would donate to every Green candidate in the United States.
This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me who haven’t donated to Josh Jones. Honestly, I’ve never met the guy. I’ve never talked to him by phone. Yes! 46-year-olds like me still use the telephone. He’s never contacted me by phone, text or email.
The video is embarrassing too. In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video.
I’m going to add in all of my titles per the request of one of the list administrators. I hate the titles, but maybe it provides some context to new Greens. Welcome to all of you! Thank you for joining our bad ass party.
Peace, Marnie Glickman Dixie School Board Trustee, San Rafael, CA Marin Green Party County Council Member Former Co-Chair of the Green Party of the United States Former Managing Director of the Green Party of California Former Co-Chair of the Green Party of the United States Platform Committee Former Member of the Green Party of the United States International Committee
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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It almost seems as if the video is mocking/shaming sex workers as something dirty or taboo. Having had friends who've worked in such industries I find it highly offensive. Faygo On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 3:12 PM 1 <jbrjaw1@gmail.com> wrote:
Good stuff, Marnie! I'd love to have you on my Livestream (Mana Talk with James on Youtube) in the near future. If you can fit me that would be fantastic.
Mahalo nui loha,
James Young
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 12:41 AM Marnie Glickman <marnie.glickman@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Green friends,
I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique. I agree!
We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation.
OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me.
I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. It is rough to be an elected Green! At home, I care three children with my husband David Curtis, who twice ran statewide as a Green Party candidate. . Our budget is limited. If we could, we would donate to every Green candidate in the United States.
This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me who haven’t donated to Josh Jones. Honestly, I’ve never met the guy. I’ve never talked to him by phone. Yes! 46-year-olds like me still use the telephone. He’s never contacted me by phone, text or email.
The video is embarrassing too. In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video.
I’m going to add in all of my titles per the request of one of the list administrators. I hate the titles, but maybe it provides some context to new Greens. Welcome to all of you! Thank you for joining our bad ass party.
Peace, Marnie Glickman Dixie School Board Trustee, San Rafael, CA Marin Green Party County Council Member Former Co-Chair of the Green Party of the United States Former Managing Director of the Green Party of California Former Co-Chair of the Green Party of the United States Platform Committee Former Member of the Green Party of the United States International Committee
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
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Dear Green friends, I’ve been reading this thread carefully and thinking about the video over the past few days. I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique. We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation. OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me. I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. I care three children at home with my partner who is also a Green. Our budget is limited. If I could, I would donate to every Green candidate in the United States. This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me. Why do I care so much? In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video. Everyone I know in Marin would agree.
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com <mailto:boatrocker2@gmail.com>> wrote: It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg <https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg>) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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Its amateurish. Dump it. Matt Leslie
On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Marnie Glickman <marnie.glickman@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Green friends,
I’ve been reading this thread carefully and thinking about the video over the past few days.
I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique.
We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation.
OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me.
I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. I care three children at home with my partner who is also a Green. Our budget is limited. If I could, I would donate to every Green candidate in the United States.
This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me.
Why do I care so much? In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video. Everyone I know in Marin would agree.
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com <mailto:faygodrinkit@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com <mailto:boatrocker2@gmail.com>> wrote: It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg <https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg>) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
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It’s cute. It’s G-Rated. It makes a clear point. It’s intuitive and created as an alternative to the straight factual approach to voter outreach. Look, elections are mostly won by telling a story & connecting emotionally to voters and supporters. They are rarely swayed purely by a factual enumeration of issues and solutions. This tells a cute, simple, and sly story that the person-on-the-street intuitively gets. They know that celebrities sell their sex tapes for millions of dollars- it’s funny and counterintuitive that a politician would do the same. Using this storyline makes NO value judgement on the underlying practice of filming one’s own consensual intimacy, nor of profiting off of this. (It is not always as clear-cut as that last sentence, but again, there’s no value judgement in this obvious spoof of the situation) The underlying point- that our politics are being smothered in waves of money given to the 2 major parties- is one that the person-on-the-street ALSO intuitively gets, no matter what their political orientation. Whether or not I have any constructive critiques or value-based judgements of the piece is irrelevant- to me the important and positive thing about this is that some of our hard-working candidates are taking innovative story-based approaches to campaigning. This piece does 2 things- it connects to the voter with a story-based narrative and delivers a simple well-known political message about big money & corruption that highlights the GP’s principled stand against those things. This piece would hold the attention of my non-political friends and contacts- and most of my political circle. I cannot remember any previous short Green political piece that would appeal to both constituencies. tl;dr- this is an effective campaign piece. I look forward to more story-telling from these and other Green candidates. Jesse Townley Commissioner & former Chair, Berkeley Rent Board 3-time elected Green, wrapping up 10 years as an elected official this year! Former GPCA NC delegate, CCWG member Current candidate for GPCA Alternate NC delegate Former GPUS SC member, Coordinated Campaign Committee member Current GPUS Platform Committee & Dispute Resolution Committee member
On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Matthew Leslie <approximateman@earthlink.net> wrote:
Its amateurish. Dump it.
Matt Leslie
On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Marnie Glickman <marnie.glickman@gmail.com <mailto:marnie.glickman@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Green friends,
I’ve been reading this thread carefully and thinking about the video over the past few days.
I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique.
We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation.
OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me.
I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. I care three children at home with my partner who is also a Green. Our budget is limited. If I could, I would donate to every Green candidate in the United States.
This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me.
Why do I care so much? In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video. Everyone I know in Marin would agree.
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com <mailto:faygodrinkit@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com <mailto:boatrocker2@gmail.com>> wrote: It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg <https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg>) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC Councilmember GYG Delegate GPCA CC Member GPUS Alternate Delegate
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This video is embarrassing. Do you want to be taken seriously, or make the party look like a joke? If it's the latter, this video does a great job of making you look like the Gary Johnson of the gubernatorial race.. only thing he was good for this last election was a laugh. On Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:44 PM Jesse Townley <jt02@mindspring.com> wrote:
It’s cute. It’s G-Rated. It makes a clear point.
It’s intuitive and created as an alternative to the straight factual approach to voter outreach.
Look, elections are mostly won by telling a story & connecting emotionally to voters and supporters. They are rarely swayed purely by a factual enumeration of issues and solutions.
This tells a cute, simple, and sly story that the person-on-the-street intuitively gets. They know that celebrities sell their sex tapes for millions of dollars- it’s funny and counterintuitive that a politician would do the same. Using this storyline makes NO value judgement on the underlying practice of filming one’s own consensual intimacy, nor of profiting off of this. (It is not always as clear-cut as that last sentence, but again, there’s no value judgement in this obvious spoof of the situation)
The underlying point- that our politics are being smothered in waves of money given to the 2 major parties- is one that the person-on-the-street ALSO intuitively gets, no matter what their political orientation.
Whether or not I have any constructive critiques or value-based judgements of the piece is irrelevant- to me the important and positive thing about this is that some of our hard-working candidates are taking innovative story-based approaches to campaigning. This piece does 2 things- it connects to the voter with a story-based narrative and delivers a simple well-known political message about big money & corruption that highlights the GP’s principled stand against those things.
This piece would hold the attention of my non-political friends and contacts- and most of my political circle. I cannot remember any previous short Green political piece that would appeal to both constituencies.
tl;dr- this is an effective campaign piece. I look forward to more story-telling from these and other Green candidates.
Jesse Townley Commissioner & former Chair, Berkeley Rent Board 3-time elected Green, wrapping up 10 years as an elected official this year! Former GPCA NC delegate, CCWG member Current candidate for GPCA Alternate NC delegate Former GPUS SC member, Coordinated Campaign Committee member Current GPUS Platform Committee & Dispute Resolution Committee member
On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Matthew Leslie <approximateman@earthlink.net> wrote:
Its amateurish. Dump it.
Matt Leslie
On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Marnie Glickman <marnie.glickman@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Green friends,
I’ve been reading this thread carefully and thinking about the video over the past few days.
I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique.
We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation.
OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me.
I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. I care three children at home with my partner who is also a Green. Our budget is limited. If I could, I would donate to every Green candidate in the United States.
This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me.
Why do I care so much? In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video. Everyone I know in Marin would agree.
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org> wrote:
Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video ( https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. *GPLAC Councilmember* *GYG Delegate* *GPCA CC Member* *GPUS Alternate Delegate*
*"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" *- John Lennon
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What are we discussing this video? Matt Leslie OC
On Mar 17, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Jesse Townley <jt02@mindspring.com> wrote:
It’s cute. It’s G-Rated. It makes a clear point.
It’s intuitive and created as an alternative to the straight factual approach to voter outreach.
Look, elections are mostly won by telling a story & connecting emotionally to voters and supporters. They are rarely swayed purely by a factual enumeration of issues and solutions.
This tells a cute, simple, and sly story that the person-on-the-street intuitively gets. They know that celebrities sell their sex tapes for millions of dollars- it’s funny and counterintuitive that a politician would do the same. Using this storyline makes NO value judgement on the underlying practice of filming one’s own consensual intimacy, nor of profiting off of this. (It is not always as clear-cut as that last sentence, but again, there’s no value judgement in this obvious spoof of the situation)
The underlying point- that our politics are being smothered in waves of money given to the 2 major parties- is one that the person-on-the-street ALSO intuitively gets, no matter what their political orientation.
Whether or not I have any constructive critiques or value-based judgements of the piece is irrelevant- to me the important and positive thing about this is that some of our hard-working candidates are taking innovative story-based approaches to campaigning. This piece does 2 things- it connects to the voter with a story-based narrative and delivers a simple well-known political message about big money & corruption that highlights the GP’s principled stand against those things.
This piece would hold the attention of my non-political friends and contacts- and most of my political circle. I cannot remember any previous short Green political piece that would appeal to both constituencies.
tl;dr- this is an effective campaign piece. I look forward to more story-telling from these and other Green candidates.
Jesse Townley Commissioner & former Chair, Berkeley Rent Board 3-time elected Green, wrapping up 10 years as an elected official this year! Former GPCA NC delegate, CCWG member Current candidate for GPCA Alternate NC delegate Former GPUS SC member, Coordinated Campaign Committee member Current GPUS Platform Committee & Dispute Resolution Committee member
On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Matthew Leslie <approximateman@earthlink.net <mailto:approximateman@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Its amateurish. Dump it.
Matt Leslie
On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Marnie Glickman <marnie.glickman@gmail.com <mailto:marnie.glickman@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Green friends,
I’ve been reading this thread carefully and thinking about the video over the past few days.
I am disappointed in the video because it does not appeal to the broad base of the CA Green Party. A founding mother of the Green Party of the US, Jennifer Ellingston, once said to me that a Green should always recommend a constructive idea when she offers a critique.
We should always share at least one positive reason to donate when we fundraise. I love comedy, satire and creativity. I have worked for some of the funniest, most creative Green in the country. They always add a shred of truth, positivity to their presentation.
OK…You made it this far. Let me tell you a little bit more about me.
I am an elected official in San Rafael, CA, 18 miles north of the Golden Gate Bride in the Bay Area. I serve on a school board and educate 2,000 children. I care three children at home with my partner who is also a Green. Our budget is limited. If I could, I would donate to every Green candidate in the United States.
This video does not motivate me. I feel like it blames me. The clear message is that the candidates only made the video because not enough people donated. The video feels like a punishment to Greens like me.
Why do I care so much? In Marin County where I live, we have many Green elected officials and have a very affluent, very progressive population. Our Green elected officials struggled like warriors to get elected. We have some networks and sway. I would never share the video with my friends because it’s embarrassing and confusing and not positive. The Governor of California would never make this kind of video. Everyone I know in Marin would agree.
On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:04 PM, james clark <faygodrinkit@gmail.com <mailto:faygodrinkit@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's mocking sex workers...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 PM F Lambert <boatrocker2@gmail.com <mailto:boatrocker2@gmail.com>> wrote: It's a comedy and a plea for Greens to start supporting GP candidates with money, for God's sake! Stop being so prudish. The DemoRATS and the Repulsives have done more harm to this country and the world and are psyching the uninformed and willfully ignorant American people for a confrontation with Russia and the start of World War Three and the destruction of planet Earth.
$.14 cents a day per the 100,000 or so registered Greens in California and they wouldn't have to make an unusual plea for $$$ like this. Yes, $51.50 a year (or more, if you're sincere about the Green Party) would give us over five million dollars in our state treasury. Not hardly much to ask for.
BTW, I didn't see anything lewd or sexual at all on the above video. Did anybody else?
Frank Lambert Monterey County
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Angelica Duenas <angelica@aduenas.org <mailto:angelica@aduenas.org>> wrote: Dear SGA delegates
I am very disturbed by the Green Party Sex Tape video (https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg <https://youtu.be/dxhUS-QQPbg>) created and posted by Gubernatorial candidate Josh Jones. I find the video offensive and an example of extremely poor judgment by someone seeking to represent our party as a candidate for our state’s highest office.
I was first introduced face to face with the Green Party at the August 2016 Green Party national convention in Houston, which I attended as an interested observer, after being turned off by the Democratic Party (as a Berniecrat delegate at the Democratic National Convention a week earlier.)
At the GPUS convention, I met David Cobb, Laura Wells, Mike Feinstein, Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, Cornel West (when things looked like he might Go Green) and Luis Rodriguez (the GPCA's 2014 Gubernatorial candidate). Based upon those interactions, I was impressed by the Green Party, effectively going Green the following month. Since then, I have learned a lot about the Green Party and its inner workings. I love how there is a high value on internal democracy. And I love the GPCA and GPUS platforms – solid.
But I have to say that if I would have come across this Josh Jones Sex Tape video in 2016 prior to attending the Green Party convention, I would have not given the Green Party a chance at all. The concept and content is immature and damaging to our party. A more thoughtful treatment could have been a great PSA moment. Instead it is an embarrassment, plain and simple.
Given this, for anyone seeking our party’s endorsement, I think the video should be deleted from YouTube. But at a minimum, if this embarrassment is to remain on-line, the use of the words “Green Party” should be removed from the video's title. No one in our party has the right to post something like that, misrepresenting our party’s name in that manner.
Disappointed in Los Angeles, Angelica Dueñas
-- Angelica M. Duenas, M.A. GPLAC Councilmember GYG Delegate GPCA CC Member GPUS Alternate Delegate
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