I thought you told me that Ahimsa had joined the Board of the local Sierra Club to try to improve it, and that they had nevertheless supported the Lennar development in the shipyard.  If I remember that all wrong, I'm glad.  And we can all be glad for the adamant opposition John Rizzo has expressed here, re the local Sierra Club. 

It does not seem like something John Rizzo would support, and he's the Executive Director of the local Sierra Club. ---A.

On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:24 PM, SF Bay View wrote:

I don't remember saying this: 
Mary R. says they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
Are you sure I said it? Either way, it elicited a nice, unequivocal denial, so that's good.


Ann Garrison wrote: 
May I forward this to Mary Ratcliff and Dr. Ahimsa Porter-Sumchai,  
not to start a fight, but just because they have a very different  
view of the local Sierra Club.  I believe Ahimsa joined the Board to  
try to influence it, but don't quote me on that.

I did indeed find a local Sierra chapter on one of the Great Lakes,  
which had chosen "clean coal" as its solution, but you gotta remember  
that's Obama's state.

And, like I said, they seem to be doing very well at working with the  
natives in the Four Corners.

I also just looked up Sierra Club and Kyoto and found Karl Pope's  
article, "The Problem with Kyoto," much of which I agree with:

http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/trouble-with-kyoto.asp

There seems to be quite a bit of variance between one Sierra Club and  
another, and they're certainly nothing, nothing like that despicable  
Apollo Alliance.

			R&R for one'n all---A.G.





On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Rizzo wrote:

  
Two statements that I must take issue with:

    
The Sierra Club seems sorta
kinda OK there, in the native Four Corners, but here, Mary R. says
they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
      
This is a false statement. We absolutely do not support or promote
Lennar.

    
And, in Obama's
Illinois, around the Great Lakes, some local Sierra Club chose "clean
coal" as their greenhouse gas limiting solution.
      
I don't know of ANY organization that has put more staff time,  
volunteer
time, and money into fighting coal nationwide than the Sierra Club.  
This
includes Illinois. Here are some Illinois victories against coal:

http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp#
IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter

The Sierra Club spends a lot of resources and effort fighting new coal
plants and the myth of "clean coal." Coal is also tied to the Sierra
Club's Mercury and Clean Water campaigns.

See this web site for a great deal of information about coal and Club
efforts:

http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/

One of the Sierra Club's campaigns is called "Stopping the Coal Rush"
led by the Club's Environmental Law Program.

At the web site, be sure to sign the petition to end mountaintop coal
mining that is literally destroying Appalachia.

John Rizzo

PS. For the past three years, the local Bay Area chapter has been
expending a lot of staff and volunteer to pass CCA (Tom and Ross), 360
MW renewable energy. It will finally be introduced at the Board of
Supervisors on Tuesday. We are also working to get CCA implemented in
other cities across California.

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