Hey all, There's a very interesting new proposal for fees and funding for autos and mass transit in New York City which would make buses and rail transit nearly free while still gaining large revenues for the entire New York transportation system. The proponents have crunched numbers and compiled spread sheets and projections to back up their assumptions. I'm not sure whether this model could be directly transfered to San Francisco, but it is worth looking at for a concept to switch to free mass transit without losing any revenue. (The taxi surcharge looks a bit daunting, but would be feasible and necessary because of a sharp increase in taxi use that would otherwise result under the plan if there were no surcharge.) To get started on the basics go to: http://nnyn.org/kheelplan/kheel_plan2.html Or if you receive information better by hearing it described verbally go to: http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=30139 and fast forward the program to the 14 min, 15 sec mark, to hear an interview with one of the project's proponents. cheers Eric -- "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves." – Che Guevara