[GPCA-SGA-Votes] Discuss ID 145: GPCA endorsement for Governor

Sun Feb 18 09:12:53 PST 2018

Wanda Jean & Others,

Re:
"There is a standard to base the measure of identifying the best candidate
for a given population – it is called a vote."

And the VOTERS have no standard to base the measure of what the "best"
candidate is. The terms "best," "most viable," "most likely to win," are
all subjective terms when we have no idea how to calculate this and are
asked vote with a lack of objective information.

The most likely to win the SGA endorsement are not necessarily the "best"
candidates, but are the ones who campaigned the most to the SGA delegates,
specifically. It is also interesting to note that certain candidate's and
their affiliates are Coordinating Committee members who are the very ones
bringing up this proposal. Seems like a conflict of interest which I hope
delegates notice.

-N
On Feb 18, 2018 9:06 AM, "Nicole Castor" <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lauren & Others,
>
> This is what I had said regarding pandering to Sanders' supporters and I
> do not wish to have my words misrepresented. I acknowledge there is merit
> to pandering in certain cases but that it seems a disproportionate amount
> of importance should not be put on it as if it will become our main
> objective. This is especially important considering the statistics that
> only around 5% of Sanders' primary voters ended up voting for Jill Stein.
>
> "I also do not feel it is useful to put so much weight on pandering to
> so-called "berniecrats," as it dilutes our values in specific ways which
> compromises what the party actually stands for. Of course such pandering
> has its merit in reaching registration goals, but for a race like this, we
> should be careful in pretending we share more in common with that core than
> we really do.
>
> Green Party is a safe space for people who want to vote their values when
> their values include an opposition to war, for example, which Sanders has
> not largely demonstrated in his political career. In a statewide race which
> we are unlikely to win, or make it into the top-two, campaigning our values
> becomes a bigger goal. We should be careful in how we present our values by
> way of which candidates were to endorse, that this impression does not
> illustrate an acceptance of supporting war and other things that the GP
> generally does not stand for.
>
> -N
> I think given the dilemma we are in with Top Two, we really have no choice
> if we hope to maximize our vote and ensure that we maintain our ballot
> status but to unite around one candidate. In fact, everyone who is to the
> Left of the Dems should all be working together and uniting behind a common
> slate.
> Ann
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 16, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Erik <erikrydberg34 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Identifying the strongest candidate is the best strategy to achieve every
> goal we want. The strongest candidate will get 2%, build the party and
> potentially win. Especially if the state party stops hamstringing itself
> and actually participated in these candidates campaigns and sent out email
> blasts and helped raise fund. The “You’re on you own strategy.” is
> unbelievablely lazy and backward. GPCAshould have been publicizing it’s
> Candidates in January. We have to start being “ahead of the curve.” We can
> not afford to continue being behind it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:13 AM Anthony Krzywicki <
> chefkrzywicki at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In it to win it is the point of getting 2% then, right?   Doesn’t having
>> one candidate give us a better opportunity to get that 2% ?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:22 AM Nicole Castor <nmcastorsilva at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anthony & Others,
>>>
>>> I agree that this process should have been started at least six months
>>> ago. At this point, candidates and their teams have already done the work
>>> to get on the ballot and it is likely there will be more than one Green
>>> candidate for the offices of SOS & Governor.
>>>
>>> If we're not in it to win it, what is the point? There is a point,
>>> actually. We will benefit from having any of the statewide candidates
>>> reaching 2%, thus securing ballot access. In addition, Green Party benefits
>>> by campaigning our platform, Key Values and the type of electoral reforms
>>> which are necessary to empower alternate parties. I do not feel it is
>>> useful to delude ourselves into thinking that we are in fact "in it to win
>>> it," because until these reforms are accomplished, we are severely
>>> disadvantaged in realistically competing to win.
>>>
>>> I also do not feel it is useful to put so much weight on pandering to
>>> so-called "berniecrats," as it dilutes our values in specific ways which
>>> compromises what the party actually stands for. Of course such pandering
>>> has its merit in reaching registration goals, but for a race like this, we
>>> should be careful in pretending we share more in common with that core than
>>> we really do.
>>>
>>> There has to be a party which stands firmly against war, firmly supports
>>> environmental protections, among other issues and Sanders does not reflect
>>> these values in his actions. There are already "progressive" democrats who
>>> will woo voters with compromised ideals and so rather than GP moving to the
>>> right, we stand firm, campaign and demonstrate our values to a growing
>>> population of individuals who agree, and keep our stances so that we may
>>> secure a place for them when they realize the duopoly does not serve their
>>> interests and that these voters no longer wish to compromise their values.
>>>
>>> I will vote against the SGA proposal to endorse candidates at this point
>>> because it was brought in too late, serves little purpose and is proposed
>>> without a strategy which delegates could examine and decide upon.
>>>
>>> -Nicole Castor
>>> GP Sacramento County
>>> On Feb 16, 2018 7:52 AM, "Anthony Krzywicki" <chefkrzywicki at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another major concern is breaking up our parties voting base.  We need
>>>> to all get behind someone and that someone hopefully will reach out and get
>>>> votes from independents, progressives and possibly bernicrats.  Otherwise
>>>> were not in itvto win it, so then whats the point?  We have a such a small
>>>> percentage of green voters to make a win, why should we split that?
>>>>
>>>> Also i beliwve that this process should be started 6 months ago, so we
>>>> could already be backing a unified candidate.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:41 PM james clark <faygodrinkit at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One major concern is that this process would take power out of the
>>>>> voters hands to decide which candidate best represents their values. It
>>>>> seems to much the DNC and their delegates picking who people get to vote
>>>>> for. Not to mention at several candidates already have their names on the
>>>>> ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2018 11:14 AM, "Victoria Ashley" <victronix01 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the vote doesn't start until late March, that would give some
>>>>>> time to send out a list of all the GP candidates on the Inform List.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:20 AM, John-Marc Chandonia <
>>>>>> jmc at sfgreens.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:25:47PM -0800, james clark wrote:
>>>>>>> > I feel it is not in the best interests of the party to follow
>>>>>>> through with
>>>>>>> > this ill timed endorsement process. If we were to perform such a
>>>>>>> process it
>>>>>>> > should have been done prior to candidates reaching their ballot
>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>> > goals. To do so at this juncture will only create animosity and
>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>> > and will not effect candidates placement on the ballot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't they have until March 9 to raise funds for the ballot?  If
>>>>>>> that's the case, we should know by the time the SGA votes who is in
>>>>>>> and who is out.  I agree that we should not make an endorsement
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> then, because we haven't had any process for informing Greens about
>>>>>>> all the Green candidates running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JMC
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