< If we are a political party, we will do only what is good for the party, and not what is good for the wider third party/open government movement of which we have been a part for many years.> - uh, i kinda thought everyone realized that we ARE a political party, as is suggested by our very name: green party. <There is time to mature as a party. For now, there is so much wrong with the system that I consider it dangerous to refer to ourselves as a party right now. > - again, too late for that. See above commentary. .<And I like David Cobb, but he has no charisma, > - and Ralph does? THe man can be a human sleeping pill. <I still believe we should be paying more attention to impeaching Bush than running against him, and I hope that, even if the worst happens and "we are responsible once again for putting this maniac in the White House" (sic), his articles of impeachment will be ready before his reinauguration.> - I totally agree that, in a sane society, bush would have been impeached by now, and that's what I would prefer to see. (I myself have signed every 'impeach bush' petition to come my way.) But since there is no guarantee of it happening, and if we do in fact wind up with four more with bush and the GP is blamed for it (which we will be, right or wrong), I feel it will be so damaging to the party that we may never recover. Its not that I'm against risk-taking, but consider the stakes here: its a very high risk venture (Nader/Camejo) with a very low (or no) return. Even potentially suicidal. Not even close to being worth it, in my view. When we have a much wider base of support (as in, Greens elected to some congressional seats, maybe a green governor or several mayors), THEN talk to me about all this effort and pain on presidential politics.