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May I forward this to Mary Ratcliff and Dr. Ahimsa Porter-Sumchai, not to start a fight, but just because they have a very different view of the local Sierra Club. I believe Ahimsa joined the Board to try to influence it, but don't quote me on that. I did indeed find a local Sierra chapter on one of the Great Lakes, which had chosen "clean coal" as its solution, but you gotta remember that's Obama's state. And, like I said, they seem to be doing very well at working with the natives in the Four Corners. I also just looked up Sierra Club and Kyoto and found Karl Pope's article, "The Problem with Kyoto," much of which I agree with: http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/trouble-with-kyoto.asp There seems to be quite a bit of variance between one Sierra Club and another, and they're certainly nothing, nothing like that despicable Apollo Alliance. R&R for one'n all---A.G. On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Rizzo wrote:
Two statements that I must take issue with:
The Sierra Club seems sorta kinda OK there, in the native Four Corners, but here, Mary R. says they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
This is a false statement. We absolutely do not support or promote Lennar.
And, in Obama's Illinois, around the Great Lakes, some local Sierra Club chose "clean coal" as their greenhouse gas limiting solution.
I don't know of ANY organization that has put more staff time, volunteer time, and money into fighting coal nationwide than the Sierra Club. This includes Illinois. Here are some Illinois victories against coal:
http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp# IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter
The Sierra Club spends a lot of resources and effort fighting new coal plants and the myth of "clean coal." Coal is also tied to the Sierra Club's Mercury and Clean Water campaigns.
See this web site for a great deal of information about coal and Club efforts:
http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/
One of the Sierra Club's campaigns is called "Stopping the Coal Rush" led by the Club's Environmental Law Program.
At the web site, be sure to sign the petition to end mountaintop coal mining that is literally destroying Appalachia.
John Rizzo
PS. For the past three years, the local Bay Area chapter has been expending a lot of staff and volunteer to pass CCA (Tom and Ross), 360 MW renewable energy. It will finally be introduced at the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. We are also working to get CCA implemented in other cities across California.
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obama got the sierra club endorsement in illinois. coal and all. v Ann Garrison wrote:
May I forward this to Mary Ratcliff and Dr. Ahimsa Porter-Sumchai, not to start a fight, but just because they have a very different view of the local Sierra Club. I believe Ahimsa joined the Board to try to influence it, but don't quote me on that.
I did indeed find a local Sierra chapter on one of the Great Lakes, which had chosen "clean coal" as its solution, but you gotta remember that's Obama's state.
And, like I said, they seem to be doing very well at working with the natives in the Four Corners.
I also just looked up Sierra Club and Kyoto and found Karl Pope's article, "The Problem with Kyoto," much of which I agree with:
http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/trouble-with-kyoto.asp
There seems to be quite a bit of variance between one Sierra Club and another, and they're certainly nothing, nothing like that despicable Apollo Alliance.
R&R for one'n all---A.G.
On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Rizzo wrote:
Two statements that I must take issue with:
The Sierra Club seems sorta kinda OK there, in the native Four Corners, but here, Mary R. says they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
This is a false statement. We absolutely do not support or promote Lennar.
And, in Obama's Illinois, around the Great Lakes, some local Sierra Club chose "clean coal" as their greenhouse gas limiting solution.
I don't know of ANY organization that has put more staff time, volunteer time, and money into fighting coal nationwide than the Sierra Club. This includes Illinois. Here are some Illinois victories against coal:
http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp# IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter
The Sierra Club spends a lot of resources and effort fighting new coal plants and the myth of "clean coal." Coal is also tied to the Sierra Club's Mercury and Clean Water campaigns.
See this web site for a great deal of information about coal and Club efforts:
http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/
One of the Sierra Club's campaigns is called "Stopping the Coal Rush" led by the Club's Environmental Law Program.
At the web site, be sure to sign the petition to end mountaintop coal mining that is literally destroying Appalachia.
John Rizzo
PS. For the past three years, the local Bay Area chapter has been expending a lot of staff and volunteer to pass CCA (Tom and Ross), 360 MW renewable energy. It will finally be introduced at the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. We are also working to get CCA implemented in other cities across California.
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OK; this does seem important. Obama introduced the Coal to Liquid Fuel Transportation Promotion Act of 2007, with Jim Bunning (D-KY), on January 4th, 2007. This is one of those bills that's absolutely lethal for the native Four Corners. It hasn't come to a vote on the Senate floor yet. Barbara Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi both seem to support it, though they refuse to respond to my letters. Di-Fi finally wrote to say she'd take my concerns into consideration should it reach a full vote on the Senate floor. Again, not trying to start a bitter argument. Just looking for clarity. I did some studying and found that Obama's daughter has asthma and that, in the past, he did make some effort to fight coal- fired power in Illinois. But it seems that, now that he's running for president, he has debts to pay to mighty Peabody Coal. ---A. On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:58 PM, vicki leidner wrote:
obama got the sierra club endorsement in illinois. coal and all. v
Ann Garrison wrote:
May I forward this to Mary Ratcliff and Dr. Ahimsa Porter-Sumchai, not to start a fight, but just because they have a very different view of the local Sierra Club. I believe Ahimsa joined the Board to try to influence it, but don't quote me on that.
I did indeed find a local Sierra chapter on one of the Great Lakes, which had chosen "clean coal" as its solution, but you gotta remember that's Obama's state.
And, like I said, they seem to be doing very well at working with the natives in the Four Corners.
I also just looked up Sierra Club and Kyoto and found Karl Pope's article, "The Problem with Kyoto," much of which I agree with:
http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/trouble-with-kyoto.asp
There seems to be quite a bit of variance between one Sierra Club and another, and they're certainly nothing, nothing like that despicable Apollo Alliance.
R&R for one'n all---A.G.
On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Rizzo wrote:
Two statements that I must take issue with:
The Sierra Club seems sorta kinda OK there, in the native Four Corners, but here, Mary R. says they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
This is a false statement. We absolutely do not support or promote Lennar.
And, in Obama's Illinois, around the Great Lakes, some local Sierra Club chose "clean coal" as their greenhouse gas limiting solution.
I don't know of ANY organization that has put more staff time, volunteer time, and money into fighting coal nationwide than the Sierra Club. This includes Illinois. Here are some Illinois victories against coal:
http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp# IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter
The Sierra Club spends a lot of resources and effort fighting new coal plants and the myth of "clean coal." Coal is also tied to the Sierra Club's Mercury and Clean Water campaigns.
See this web site for a great deal of information about coal and Club efforts:
http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/
One of the Sierra Club's campaigns is called "Stopping the Coal Rush" led by the Club's Environmental Law Program.
At the web site, be sure to sign the petition to end mountaintop coal mining that is literally destroying Appalachia.
John Rizzo
PS. For the past three years, the local Bay Area chapter has been expending a lot of staff and volunteer to pass CCA (Tom and Ross), 360 MW renewable energy. It will finally be introduced at the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. We are also working to get CCA implemented in other cities across California.
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For what it's worth, Bunning is a Republican, unless he's switched parties. On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:34:40 -0700, Ann Garrison <anniegarrison@mac.com> wrote:
OK; this does seem important. Obama introduced the Coal to Liquid Fuel Transportation Promotion Act of 2007, with Jim Bunning (D-KY), on January 4th, 2007. This is one of those bills that's absolutely lethal for the native Four Corners.
It hasn't come to a vote on the Senate floor yet. Barbara Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi both seem to support it, though they refuse to respond to my letters. Di-Fi finally wrote to say she'd take my concerns into consideration should it reach a full vote on the Senate floor.
Again, not trying to start a bitter argument. Just looking for clarity. I did some studying and found that Obama's daughter has asthma and that, in the past, he did make some effort to fight coal- fired power in Illinois. But it seems that, now that he's running for president, he has debts to pay to mighty Peabody Coal. ---A.
On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:58 PM, vicki leidner wrote:
obama got the sierra club endorsement in illinois. coal and all. v
Ann Garrison wrote:
May I forward this to Mary Ratcliff and Dr. Ahimsa Porter-Sumchai, not to start a fight, but just because they have a very different view of the local Sierra Club. I believe Ahimsa joined the Board to try to influence it, but don't quote me on that.
I did indeed find a local Sierra chapter on one of the Great Lakes, which had chosen "clean coal" as its solution, but you gotta remember that's Obama's state.
And, like I said, they seem to be doing very well at working with the natives in the Four Corners.
I also just looked up Sierra Club and Kyoto and found Karl Pope's article, "The Problem with Kyoto," much of which I agree with:
http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/trouble-with-kyoto.asp
There seems to be quite a bit of variance between one Sierra Club and another, and they're certainly nothing, nothing like that despicable Apollo Alliance.
R&R for one'n all---A.G.
On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Rizzo wrote:
Two statements that I must take issue with:
The Sierra Club seems sorta kinda OK there, in the native Four Corners, but here, Mary R. says they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
This is a false statement. We absolutely do not support or promote Lennar.
And, in Obama's Illinois, around the Great Lakes, some local Sierra Club chose "clean coal" as their greenhouse gas limiting solution.
I don't know of ANY organization that has put more staff time, volunteer time, and money into fighting coal nationwide than the Sierra Club. This includes Illinois. Here are some Illinois victories against coal:
http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp# IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter
The Sierra Club spends a lot of resources and effort fighting new coal plants and the myth of "clean coal." Coal is also tied to the Sierra Club's Mercury and Clean Water campaigns.
See this web site for a great deal of information about coal and Club efforts:
http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/
One of the Sierra Club's campaigns is called "Stopping the Coal Rush" led by the Club's Environmental Law Program.
At the web site, be sure to sign the petition to end mountaintop coal mining that is literally destroying Appalachia.
John Rizzo
PS. For the past three years, the local Bay Area chapter has been expending a lot of staff and volunteer to pass CCA (Tom and Ross), 360 MW renewable energy. It will finally be introduced at the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. We are also working to get CCA implemented in other cities across California.
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Just checked; you're right. Obama (D-IL) joined Bunning (R-KY) in introducing the Coal to Liquid Transportation Fuel Promotion Act of 2007. On Apr 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Richard A. Knee wrote:
For what it's worth, Bunning is a Republican, unless he's switched parties.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:34:40 -0700, Ann Garrison <anniegarrison@mac.com> wrote:
OK; this does seem important. Obama introduced the Coal to Liquid Fuel Transportation Promotion Act of 2007, with Jim Bunning (D-KY), on January 4th, 2007. This is one of those bills that's absolutely lethal for the native Four Corners.
It hasn't come to a vote on the Senate floor yet. Barbara Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi both seem to support it, though they refuse to respond to my letters. Di-Fi finally wrote to say she'd take my concerns into consideration should it reach a full vote on the Senate floor.
Again, not trying to start a bitter argument. Just looking for clarity. I did some studying and found that Obama's daughter has asthma and that, in the past, he did make some effort to fight coal- fired power in Illinois. But it seems that, now that he's running for president, he has debts to pay to mighty Peabody Coal. ---A.
On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:58 PM, vicki leidner wrote:
obama got the sierra club endorsement in illinois. coal and all. v
Ann Garrison wrote:
May I forward this to Mary Ratcliff and Dr. Ahimsa Porter-Sumchai, not to start a fight, but just because they have a very different view of the local Sierra Club. I believe Ahimsa joined the Board to try to influence it, but don't quote me on that.
I did indeed find a local Sierra chapter on one of the Great Lakes, which had chosen "clean coal" as its solution, but you gotta remember that's Obama's state.
And, like I said, they seem to be doing very well at working with the natives in the Four Corners.
I also just looked up Sierra Club and Kyoto and found Karl Pope's article, "The Problem with Kyoto," much of which I agree with:
http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/trouble-with-kyoto.asp
There seems to be quite a bit of variance between one Sierra Club and another, and they're certainly nothing, nothing like that despicable Apollo Alliance.
R&R for one'n all---A.G.
On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Rizzo wrote:
Two statements that I must take issue with:
The Sierra Club seems sorta kinda OK there, in the native Four Corners, but here, Mary R. says they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
This is a false statement. We absolutely do not support or promote Lennar.
And, in Obama's Illinois, around the Great Lakes, some local Sierra Club chose "clean coal" as their greenhouse gas limiting solution.
I don't know of ANY organization that has put more staff time, volunteer time, and money into fighting coal nationwide than the Sierra Club. This includes Illinois. Here are some Illinois victories against coal:
http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp# IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter
The Sierra Club spends a lot of resources and effort fighting new coal plants and the myth of "clean coal." Coal is also tied to the Sierra Club's Mercury and Clean Water campaigns.
See this web site for a great deal of information about coal and Club efforts:
http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/
One of the Sierra Club's campaigns is called "Stopping the Coal Rush" led by the Club's Environmental Law Program.
At the web site, be sure to sign the petition to end mountaintop coal mining that is literally destroying Appalachia.
John Rizzo
PS. For the past three years, the local Bay Area chapter has been expending a lot of staff and volunteer to pass CCA (Tom and Ross), 360 MW renewable energy. It will finally be introduced at the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. We are also working to get CCA implemented in other cities across California.
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If there's a chapter promoting clean coal, it is violating national Sierra Club energy policy, which could threaten its charter. Here is the Illinois Chapter opposing two pro-clean-coal bills from last month: http://illinois.sierraclub.org/legislation/HB3672.html http://illinois.sierraclub.org/legislation/HB3733.html Previous links: http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/ http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp# IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter Please forward to whoever you like. I certainly joined to try to influence it. (FYI, Sue Vaughan is also on the SF board.) There is much I don't agree with, but the fight against coal is a worthy and significant effort. Cheers, John
May I forward this to Mary Ratcliff and Dr. Ahimsa Porter-Sumchai, not to start a fight, but just because they have a very different view of the local Sierra Club. I believe Ahimsa joined the Board to try to influence it, but don't quote me on that.
I did indeed find a local Sierra chapter on one of the Great Lakes, which had chosen "clean coal" as its solution, but you gotta remember that's Obama's state.
And, like I said, they seem to be doing very well at working with the natives in the Four Corners.
I also just looked up Sierra Club and Kyoto and found Karl Pope's article, "The Problem with Kyoto," much of which I agree with:
http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/trouble-with-kyoto.asp
There seems to be quite a bit of variance between one Sierra Club and another, and they're certainly nothing, nothing like that despicable Apollo Alliance.
R&R for one'n all---A.G.
On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Rizzo wrote:
Two statements that I must take issue with:
The Sierra Club seems sorta kinda OK there, in the native Four Corners, but here, Mary R. says they promoted Lennar's development in the shipyard.
This is a false statement. We absolutely do not support or promote Lennar.
And, in Obama's Illinois, around the Great Lakes, some local Sierra Club chose
"clean
coal" as their greenhouse gas limiting solution.
I don't know of ANY organization that has put more staff time, volunteer time, and money into fighting coal nationwide than the Sierra Club. This includes Illinois. Here are some Illinois victories against coal:
http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/coal/plantlist.asp# IllinoisTaylorvilleEnergyCenter
The Sierra Club spends a lot of resources and effort fighting new coal plants and the myth of "clean coal." Coal is also tied to the Sierra Club's Mercury and Clean Water campaigns.
See this web site for a great deal of information about coal and Club efforts:
http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/
One of the Sierra Club's campaigns is called "Stopping the Coal Rush" led by the Club's Environmental Law Program.
At the web site, be sure to sign the petition to end mountaintop coal mining that is literally destroying Appalachia.
John Rizzo
PS. For the past three years, the local Bay Area chapter has been expending a lot of staff and volunteer to pass CCA (Tom and Ross), 360 MW renewable energy. It will finally be introduced at the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. We are also working to get CCA implemented in other cities across California.
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